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Don't buy them? Acer sells MUCH cheaper machines all day: $1.6K for a Predator here: https://www.walmart.com/ip/2021-Flagship-Acer-Predator-Triton-300-15-Gam

Don't buy them? Acer sells MUCH cheaper machines all day: $1.6K for a Predator here: https://www.walmart.com/ip/2021-Flagship-Acer-Predator-Triton-300-15-Gaming-Laptop-15-6-FHD-IPS-144Hz-Intel-Hexa-Core-i7-10750H-16GB-DDR4-1TB-SSD-GeForce-RTX-2070-8GB-RGB-nbsp-/256194633 https://www.walmart.com/ip/2021-Flagship-Acer-Predator-Trito... Apple has been told that their products (watch, airpods, iphones etc) have been too costly for decades now. And still makes money selling them. What I don't get - Apple's stuff seems to last forever. My dell's just crap out (battery, drivers, updates etc). My wife on a mac -> she just goes and goes. I'd love to see the support histories on old ACER's and Dell's vs Apple.

sircastor 5y ago
I’m running (admitting reluctantly) fine on my 2014 MBP. It works for everything I need it to. It can be slow for some tasks, but I still get all the updates. I’m interested in the disparity between Apple and others with enterprise support programs. Virtually any other company will send you a loaner or replacement laptop under warranty and repair yours. Apple seems to just say “That sucks” and might fix your laptop.
squeaky-clean 5y ago
I don't understand comments like this. They're not buying it and they're explaining why.
- slownews45 5y ago
  No, they are saying apple is making a mistake and that "Apple is ridiculous." What they don't value is that apple, in the midst of chip shortage, is going to be doing delivery within ONE WEEK of announcement of an absolutely bleeding edge node solution. I get it, your Dell Intel whatever is better and/or cheaper. I used to be on dell and now am on lenovo. But there is a reason apple charges what they do, a totally integrated solution, that just works, battery life for miles, not too hot on the lap etc etc. and available in seemingly insane quantities. Seriously, ford parks cash cow F-150's and apple is turning out millions and millions of phones (100 million phones alone per year)?
  - jodrellblank 5y ago
    90 million iPhones in Q1 this year, 55M in Q2. Closer to 200M/year.
  - hparadiz 5y ago
    You're being hilarious. No one is using Dell or Acer here. We're just holding on to our old MBPs. I wouldn't care about the notch for a 2k laptop but I do care for a 3500 laptop. Ontop of that I'll absolutely need more storage and ram so it's 4k laptop. But the notch. So ugly. Welp guess no 2021 MBP for me.
  - trebor 5y ago
    Eh, I’m still using a ~4 year old iMac. One of those that are painfully difficult to upgrade RAM. (And I keep repeatedly hitting the limit right now.) And I’m trying to keep it in sync with an even older MBP. And you’re right: I don’t appreciate that Apple can deliver a week later. That’s not valuable when my machines still work. Not paying a premium for that. I’ve been chafing at the upgrade cost of Apple laptops for more than a decade of using their products. The reason customers keep paying is for the reputation, and because of their short memories. The keyboard debacle, the screen issues, MacBook Air early gen laptops burning people’s laps… and those are just the laptop issues. I’m upset because this is just another instance where Apple’s profit margin goes up substantially. Their markup is basically 4x higher than MSRP off the aftermarket RAM/SSD.
xoac 5y ago
> What I don't get - Apple's stuff seems to last forever. Especially the keyboards, and the speakers in recent years.
vbezhenar 5y ago
I own MBP 2012. It has: * dead SSD, replaced on warranty * dead battery * dead keyboard * dead audio * some hardware issues, I think related to GPU (it panics sometimes) * replaced charger, second charger is in bad condition, probably time to think about replacing it as well It's the most terrible laptop I've ever owned. I owned plenty of laptops and I never had any issue with any of them. Macbook really set the bar. That said, it kind of works... I use USB keyboard, USB headset, always plugged in, don't push it too far, as it starts to throttle very fast. But it loads some ancient macOS version, constantly nags me about updating it. I'll buy new Macbook. Because of macOS. Reliability-wise I don't have any expectations from Apple. I bought plenty of Apple devices and I had plenty of issues with many of those devices. They definitely don't last forever. Apple software - that's what hooked me.
- killtimeatwork 5y ago
  As far as anecdotes go, I'm 100% opposite I guess. I have 2013 MBP, but have removed OSX and use it solely as a Windows machine. Nothing ever broke on it, and I use it solely for build quality and reliability.

sircastor 5y ago

I’m running (admitting reluctantly) fine on my 2014 MBP. It works for everything I need it to. It can be slow for some tasks, but I still get all the updates. I’m interested in the disparity between Apple and others with enterprise support programs. Virtually any other company will send you a loaner or replacement laptop under warranty and repair yours. Apple seems to just say “That sucks” and might fix your laptop.

squeaky-clean 5y ago

I don't understand comments like this. They're not buying it and they're explaining why.

slownews45 5y ago
No, they are saying apple is making a mistake and that "Apple is ridiculous." What they don't value is that apple, in the midst of chip shortage, is going to be doing delivery within ONE WEEK of announcement of an absolutely bleeding edge node solution. I get it, your Dell Intel whatever is better and/or cheaper. I used to be on dell and now am on lenovo. But there is a reason apple charges what they do, a totally integrated solution, that just works, battery life for miles, not too hot on the lap etc etc. and available in seemingly insane quantities. Seriously, ford parks cash cow F-150's and apple is turning out millions and millions of phones (100 million phones alone per year)?
- jodrellblank 5y ago
  90 million iPhones in Q1 this year, 55M in Q2. Closer to 200M/year.
- hparadiz 5y ago
  You're being hilarious. No one is using Dell or Acer here. We're just holding on to our old MBPs. I wouldn't care about the notch for a 2k laptop but I do care for a 3500 laptop. Ontop of that I'll absolutely need more storage and ram so it's 4k laptop. But the notch. So ugly. Welp guess no 2021 MBP for me.
- trebor 5y ago
  Eh, I’m still using a ~4 year old iMac. One of those that are painfully difficult to upgrade RAM. (And I keep repeatedly hitting the limit right now.) And I’m trying to keep it in sync with an even older MBP. And you’re right: I don’t appreciate that Apple can deliver a week later. That’s not valuable when my machines still work. Not paying a premium for that. I’ve been chafing at the upgrade cost of Apple laptops for more than a decade of using their products. The reason customers keep paying is for the reputation, and because of their short memories. The keyboard debacle, the screen issues, MacBook Air early gen laptops burning people’s laps… and those are just the laptop issues. I’m upset because this is just another instance where Apple’s profit margin goes up substantially. Their markup is basically 4x higher than MSRP off the aftermarket RAM/SSD.

xoac 5y ago

> What I don't get - Apple's stuff seems to last forever. Especially the keyboards, and the speakers in recent years.

vbezhenar 5y ago

I own MBP 2012. It has: * dead SSD, replaced on warranty * dead battery * dead keyboard * dead audio * some hardware issues, I think related to GPU (it panics sometimes) * replaced charger, second charger is in bad condition, probably time to think about replacing it as well It's the most terrible laptop I've ever owned. I owned plenty of laptops and I never had any issue with any of them. Macbook really set the bar. That said, it kind of works... I use USB keyboard, USB headset, always plugged in, don't push it too far, as it starts to throttle very fast. But it loads some ancient macOS version, constantly nags me about updating it. I'll buy new Macbook. Because of macOS. Reliability-wise I don't have any expectations from Apple. I bought plenty of Apple devices and I had plenty of issues with many of those devices. They definitely don't last forever. Apple software - that's what hooked me.

killtimeatwork 5y ago
As far as anecdotes go, I'm 100% opposite I guess. I have 2013 MBP, but have removed OSX and use it solely as a Windows machine. Nothing ever broke on it, and I use it solely for build quality and reliability.