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Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired(6s got the glass replaced, the 7 got full assembly replaced) and battery of the 6s replaced at a shop

by mrtksn 5y ago

Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired(6s got the glass replaced, the 7 got full assembly replaced) and battery of the 6s replaced at a shop that is not authorized by Apple. It cost me 110$ in total. Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon. What’s that narrative that Apple devices are not upgradable or repairable? It simply not true. If anything, Apple devices are the easiest to get serviced since there are not many models and pretty much all repair shops can deal with all devices that are still usable. Because of this, even broken Apple devices are sold and bought all the time.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired Nice, except doing a screen replacement on a modern iPhone like the 13 series will disable your FaceID making your iPhone pretty much worthless. >Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon Nice, but on the modern Macbooks, the SSD is soldered and not replaceable. There is no way to upgrade them or replace them if they break, so you just have to throw away the whole laptop. So yea, parent was right, Apple devices are the worst for reparability period since the ones you're talking about are not manufactured anymore therefore don't represent the current state of affairs and the ones that are manufactured today are built to not be repaired.
- mrtksn 5y ago
  Hardware people are crafty, they find ways to transfer and combine working parts. The glass replacement(keeping the original LCD) I got for the 6S is not a procedure provided by Apple. Guess who doesn’t care? The repair shop that bought a machine from China for separating and re-assembly of the Glass and LCD. Screen replacement is 50$, glass replacement is 30$. iPhone 13 is very new, give it a few years and the hardware people will leverage the desire of not spending 1000$ on a new phone when the current one works fine except for that broken part.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    And how will the crafty HW people replace the SSD storage on my 2020 Macbok if it bites the dust?
    - mrtksn 5y ago
      By changing chips. There are already procedures for fun stuff like upgrading the RAM on the non-retina MacBook Airs to 16GB. Apple never offered 16GB version off that laptop but you can have it[0]. if there’s a demand there would be a response. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgEfMzMxX5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgEfMzMxX5E
      - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        You clearly don't have a clue how modern Apple HW is built and why stuff that you're talking about on old Apple HW just won't work anymore on the machines build today. I'm talking about 2020 devices where you can't just "change the chips" and hope it works like in the 2015 model from the video you posted. Modern Apple devices aren't repairable anymore.
        mrtksn 5y ago
        I would love to be enlightened about the new physics that Apple is using which is out of reach to the other engineers. /s Anyway, people are crafty and engineering is not an Apple-exclusive trade. believe it or not, Apple can’t do anything about the laws of physics.
        ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        >I would love to be enlightened about the new physics that Apple is using but is out of reach for the other engineers. Watch Luis Rosmann on youtube.
        mrtksn 5y ago
- jolux 5y ago
  > Nice, but on the modern Macbooks, the SSD is soldered and not replaceable. There is no way to upgrade them or replace them if they break, so you just have to throw away the whole laptop. I mean, you can replace the logic board. Wasteful, sure, but there's no need to throw out the whole thing.
  - mrtksn 5y ago
    People also replace IC’s all the time. Heat it, remove the broken SSD chip, put the new one, re-heat.
    - jolux 5y ago
      I know, but I can understand people preferring socketed parts.
- threeseed 5y ago
  Nice, except doing a screen replacement on a modern iPhone like the 13 series will disable your FaceID making your iPhone pretty much worthless. Only if you go to someone who isn't an authorised Apple repairer.
billyhoffman 5y ago
True, but you are talking about devices that are 4-6 years old. Storage is now soldered. Ram has been soldered for a while now, and with Apple Silicon its part of the SoC.
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  Perhaps leading to fewer failures and longer device lifespans. As far as I understand, the less components and heat, the longer the electronics keep working.
  - kasabali 5y ago
    That isn't "less components", that's same components but soldered so customers can't replace it.
    - dwaite 5y ago
      It removes connectors and may remove buffers. It is hard to pop a memory SIMM out over time using a laptop if everything is soldered in.
      - kasabali 5y ago
        not that I've heard of anyone popping out a DIMM over time, but I'd rather pop it back in rather than having to ship it to a repair shop with BGA workstation to replace if a DRAM chip develops fault over time.
- JohnTHaller 5y ago
  For context, Apple started soldering RAM in 2015 and soldering storage in 2018.
deltaci 5y ago
newer MacBooks have both the SSD and RAM soldered on board, it's no longer user upgradable, unless you have a BGA rework station and knows how to operate it.
JohnTHaller 5y ago
In modern Apple laptops (2018 and later), the storage is soldered as the memory has been since 2015. Contrast this with a Dell XPS 15 you can buy today within which you can upgrade/replace both the memory and the storage. This is the case with most Windows laptops. The exception is usually the super thin ones that solder in RAM Apple-style, but there are some others that do as well. There's also the fact that Apple does things like integrate the display connector into the panel part. So, if it fails - like when Apple made it too short with the 2016 and 2017 Macbook Pros causing the flexgate controversy - it requires replacing a $600 part instead of a $6 one.

by mrtksn 5y ago

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired Nice, except doing a screen replacement on a modern iPhone like the 13 series will disable your FaceID making your iPhone pretty much worthless. >Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon Nice, but on the modern Macbooks, the SSD is soldered and not replaceable. There is no way to upgrade them or replace them if they break, so you just have to throw away the whole laptop. So yea, parent was right, Apple devices are the worst for reparability period since the ones you're talking about are not manufactured anymore therefore don't represent the current state of affairs and the ones that are manufactured today are built to not be repaired.

mrtksn 5y ago
Hardware people are crafty, they find ways to transfer and combine working parts. The glass replacement(keeping the original LCD) I got for the 6S is not a procedure provided by Apple. Guess who doesn’t care? The repair shop that bought a machine from China for separating and re-assembly of the Glass and LCD. Screen replacement is 50$, glass replacement is 30$. iPhone 13 is very new, give it a few years and the hardware people will leverage the desire of not spending 1000$ on a new phone when the current one works fine except for that broken part.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  And how will the crafty HW people replace the SSD storage on my 2020 Macbok if it bites the dust?
  - mrtksn 5y ago
    By changing chips. There are already procedures for fun stuff like upgrading the RAM on the non-retina MacBook Airs to 16GB. Apple never offered 16GB version off that laptop but you can have it[0]. if there’s a demand there would be a response. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgEfMzMxX5E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgEfMzMxX5E
    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
      You clearly don't have a clue how modern Apple HW is built and why stuff that you're talking about on old Apple HW just won't work anymore on the machines build today. I'm talking about 2020 devices where you can't just "change the chips" and hope it works like in the 2015 model from the video you posted. Modern Apple devices aren't repairable anymore.
      - mrtksn 5y ago
        I would love to be enlightened about the new physics that Apple is using which is out of reach to the other engineers. /s Anyway, people are crafty and engineering is not an Apple-exclusive trade. believe it or not, Apple can’t do anything about the laws of physics.
        ChuckNorris89 5y ago
        >I would love to be enlightened about the new physics that Apple is using but is out of reach for the other engineers. Watch Luis Rosmann on youtube.
        mrtksn 5y ago
jolux 5y ago
> Nice, but on the modern Macbooks, the SSD is soldered and not replaceable. There is no way to upgrade them or replace them if they break, so you just have to throw away the whole laptop. I mean, you can replace the logic board. Wasteful, sure, but there's no need to throw out the whole thing.
- mrtksn 5y ago
  People also replace IC’s all the time. Heat it, remove the broken SSD chip, put the new one, re-heat.
  - jolux 5y ago
    I know, but I can understand people preferring socketed parts.
threeseed 5y ago
Nice, except doing a screen replacement on a modern iPhone like the 13 series will disable your FaceID making your iPhone pretty much worthless. Only if you go to someone who isn't an authorised Apple repairer.

billyhoffman 5y ago

True, but you are talking about devices that are 4-6 years old. Storage is now soldered. Ram has been soldered for a while now, and with Apple Silicon its part of the SoC.

lotsofpulp 5y ago
Perhaps leading to fewer failures and longer device lifespans. As far as I understand, the less components and heat, the longer the electronics keep working.
- kasabali 5y ago
  That isn't "less components", that's same components but soldered so customers can't replace it.
  - dwaite 5y ago
    It removes connectors and may remove buffers. It is hard to pop a memory SIMM out over time using a laptop if everything is soldered in.
    - kasabali 5y ago
      not that I've heard of anyone popping out a DIMM over time, but I'd rather pop it back in rather than having to ship it to a repair shop with BGA workstation to replace if a DRAM chip develops fault over time.
JohnTHaller 5y ago
For context, Apple started soldering RAM in 2015 and soldering storage in 2018.

deltaci 5y ago

newer MacBooks have both the SSD and RAM soldered on board, it's no longer user upgradable, unless you have a BGA rework station and knows how to operate it.

JohnTHaller 5y ago

In modern Apple laptops (2018 and later), the storage is soldered as the memory has been since 2015. Contrast this with a Dell XPS 15 you can buy today within which you can upgrade/replace both the memory and the storage. This is the case with most Windows laptops. The exception is usually the super thin ones that solder in RAM Apple-style, but there are some others that do as well. There's also the fact that Apple does things like integrate the display connector into the panel part. So, if it fails - like when Apple made it too short with the 2016 and 2017 Macbook Pros causing the flexgate controversy - it requires replacing a $600 part instead of a $6 one.