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>It displeases my sense of aesthetics. Or lack thereof.

incrudible 5y ago
No, you! Seriously, look at the promo images that Apple created for this product: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/ The vast majority of these images hide the notch by not showing the menu bar at all, which is not how a Mac is generally used. The other images make it less noticable by putting it over a dark background. Does that convey confidence in the design, by the designers that were tasked to make it look good? The best thing you can say is: It's not that noticeable under certain conditions.
- laurent92 5y ago
  The notch reminds me of Macron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO0bQ83UMAAUabp.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO0bQ83UMAAUabp.jpg:large It’s not only a joke, it’s also that once you see it, you understand that the aesthetics of a notch aren’t based in sleek features, but in function-over-form.
- dkonofalski 5y ago
  Or, you know, under nearly every normal use case, it will just blend into the display. It causes no issues on the iPhones and looks just fine for what it is and, aesthetically, I'd prefer to have the slight bit of extra screen space for status icons and menus as opposed to a larger bevel. I don't see you proposing any better, more aesthetically pleasing solution, only complaining.
  - incrudible 5y ago
    > I don't see you proposing any better, more aesthetically pleasing solution, only complaining. How about not having a notch, like literally every other Apple (and non-Apple) laptop? Is that even conceivable?
    - zepto 5y ago
      If you think a useless bar of metal at the top of your screen instead of useful display area is attractive then sure.
    - dkonofalski 5y ago
      Then where would you put the camera and the sensors that are in there? If you don't have the notch, you have to increase the size of the bezel. Since the notch lives in the empty area of the menu bar, it's a better solution than a bezel and gives more screen real estate in the same form factor. Edit: 'Notch' not 'not'
      - incrudible 5y ago
        Yes, have a slightly larger Bezel instead of a huge unappealing notch. Did I mention how much I do not like the notch? Look in any of the comments sections of this new product, how many people are commenting on how this notch is off-putting? Does it seem like a worthy tradeoff? I do not think so.
        dkonofalski 5y ago
        Literally everyone, besides you, in this HN thread is commenting on how it's a good solution and gives more screen real estate while maintaining the aspect ratio. The only people complaining about it, including you, haven't really specified what about it is unappealing.
        incrudible 5y ago
        My comment is the most up-voted comment. Multiple people complain about the notch in this thread. There's no point in explaining why it looks bad, because if you don't see it, no explanation will make you see it. You are immune to it. Good for you. I'm not saying you should find it ugly.
    - stouset 5y ago
      > How about not having a notch, like literally every other Apple (and non-Apple) laptop? Is that even conceivable? So literally the least functional and useful of all possible options? The notch isn't subtractive from previous generations' screen space. The bezel was removed except for the area where the notch is, adding a menu bar's worth of screen space. And the center of that menu bar is virtually always empty space. Your proposal is to add extra bezels back and subtract away a menu bar's worth of vertical space, just to remove a small protrusion that you won't even notice half a week into using the device. “The design is not just what it looks like and feels like. The design is how it works.”

No, you! Seriously, look at the promo images that Apple created for this product: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/ The vast majority of these images hide the notch by not showing the menu bar at all, which is not how a Mac is generally used. The other images make it less noticable by putting it over a dark background. Does that convey confidence in the design, by the designers that were tasked to make it look good? The best thing you can say is: It's not that noticeable under certain conditions.

laurent92 5y ago
The notch reminds me of Macron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO0bQ83UMAAUabp.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO0bQ83UMAAUabp.jpg:large It’s not only a joke, it’s also that once you see it, you understand that the aesthetics of a notch aren’t based in sleek features, but in function-over-form.
dkonofalski 5y ago
Or, you know, under nearly every normal use case, it will just blend into the display. It causes no issues on the iPhones and looks just fine for what it is and, aesthetically, I'd prefer to have the slight bit of extra screen space for status icons and menus as opposed to a larger bevel. I don't see you proposing any better, more aesthetically pleasing solution, only complaining.
- incrudible 5y ago
  > I don't see you proposing any better, more aesthetically pleasing solution, only complaining. How about not having a notch, like literally every other Apple (and non-Apple) laptop? Is that even conceivable?
  - zepto 5y ago
    If you think a useless bar of metal at the top of your screen instead of useful display area is attractive then sure.
  - dkonofalski 5y ago
    Then where would you put the camera and the sensors that are in there? If you don't have the notch, you have to increase the size of the bezel. Since the notch lives in the empty area of the menu bar, it's a better solution than a bezel and gives more screen real estate in the same form factor. Edit: 'Notch' not 'not'
    - incrudible 5y ago
      Yes, have a slightly larger Bezel instead of a huge unappealing notch. Did I mention how much I do not like the notch? Look in any of the comments sections of this new product, how many people are commenting on how this notch is off-putting? Does it seem like a worthy tradeoff? I do not think so.
      - dkonofalski 5y ago
        Literally everyone, besides you, in this HN thread is commenting on how it's a good solution and gives more screen real estate while maintaining the aspect ratio. The only people complaining about it, including you, haven't really specified what about it is unappealing.
        incrudible 5y ago
        My comment is the most up-voted comment. Multiple people complain about the notch in this thread. There's no point in explaining why it looks bad, because if you don't see it, no explanation will make you see it. You are immune to it. Good for you. I'm not saying you should find it ugly.
  - stouset 5y ago
    > How about not having a notch, like literally every other Apple (and non-Apple) laptop? Is that even conceivable? So literally the least functional and useful of all possible options? The notch isn't subtractive from previous generations' screen space. The bezel was removed except for the area where the notch is, adding a menu bar's worth of screen space. And the center of that menu bar is virtually always empty space. Your proposal is to add extra bezels back and subtract away a menu bar's worth of vertical space, just to remove a small protrusion that you won't even notice half a week into using the device. “The design is not just what it looks like and feels like. The design is how it works.”