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Disingenuous for Apple to compare these against 2017 Intel chips and call them 2x and 3.7x faster. I would love to see how they fare against 2021 Intel and amd

Disingenuous for Apple to compare these against 2017 Intel chips and call them 2x and 3.7x faster. I would love to see how they fare against 2021 Intel and amd chips.

james33 5y ago
They did that to compare against the last comparable Intel chips in a Mac, which seems rather useful for people looking to upgrade from that line of Mac.
- peterkos 5y ago
  Reminds me of AMD comparing their insane IPC increase when Ryzen first came out.
lowbloodsugar 5y ago
The slide where they say its faster than an 8-core PC laptop CPU is comparing it against the 11th gen i7 11800H [1]. So it's not as fast as the fastest laptop chip, and it's certainly not as fast as the monster laptops that people put desktop CPUs in. But it uses 40% of the power of a not-awful 11th gen 8-core i7 laptop. The M1 is nowhere near as fast as a full-blown 16 core desktop CPU. I am sure we will see reviews against high end intel and amd laptops very soon, and I wont be surprised if real world performance blows people away, as the M1 Air did. [1] https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-event/images/Screen%20Shot%202021-10-18%20at%2012.21.54%20PM.jpg https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-even...
- spacedcowboy 5y ago
  ... and neither is the M1 (in any configuration) a "full blown 16 core desktop CPU". Those will be called M2 and come later next year, according to the rumor mill anyway.
  - lowbloodsugar 5y ago
    Sorry, that is what I meant. I'll edit.
klelatti 5y ago
How is it disingenuous - defined in my dictionary as not candid - when we know precisely which chips they are comparing against? They are giving Mac laptop users information to try to persuade them to upgrade from their 2017 MacBook Pros and this is probably the most relevant comparison.
- eugeniub 5y ago
  I'm pretty sure they are comparing them with 2019/2020 MacBook Pros, which apparently have chips originally launched 2017.
  - klelatti 5y ago
    Looks to me like they are comparing against 2020 MBPs (at least for 13 inch) which use 10nm Ice Lake so nothing to do with 2017 at all!!
ac29 5y ago
Intel's 2021 laptop chips (Alder Lake) are rumoured to be released later this month (usually actual availability is a few months after "release"). I expect them to be pretty compelling compared to the previous generation Intel parts, and maybe even vs AMD's latest. But the new "Intel 7" node (formerly 10++ or something) is almost certainly going to be behind TSMC N5 in power and performance, so Apple will most likely still have the upper hand.
- mhh__ 5y ago
  I'd still bet on Apple for the all round package for a laptop but Intel should be coming out of the gates flying when Alder Lake launches. This is their first ISA that actually reacts to Zen, from what I've heard.
  - dannyw 5y ago
    Various leaked benchmarks show it outperforms the comparable Ryzens (and it's pretty obvious these rumours are sanctioned by Intel by their copious omission of watt numbers).
- schmorptron 5y ago
  Are those the ones with big.LITTLE designs already?
Rapzid 5y ago
When M1 first released they pulled some marketing voodoo and you always saw the actively cooled performance numbers listed with the passively cooled TDP :D Nearly every tech article/review was reporting those two numbers together.
00deadbeef 5y ago
I thought they compared it with an i9-9980HK which is the top-end 2019 chip in the outgoing 16" MBP?
fay59 5y ago
I suspect that’s because they: 1- want to convince people still on Intel Macs to update 2- lengthen the news cycle when the first units are shipped to the tech press and _they_ run these benchmarks

Disingenuous for Apple to compare these against 2017 Intel chips and call them 2x and 3.7x faster. I would love to see how they fare against 2021 Intel and amd chips.

james33 5y ago

They did that to compare against the last comparable Intel chips in a Mac, which seems rather useful for people looking to upgrade from that line of Mac.

peterkos 5y ago
Reminds me of AMD comparing their insane IPC increase when Ryzen first came out.

lowbloodsugar 5y ago

The slide where they say its faster than an 8-core PC laptop CPU is comparing it against the 11th gen i7 11800H [1]. So it's not as fast as the fastest laptop chip, and it's certainly not as fast as the monster laptops that people put desktop CPUs in. But it uses 40% of the power of a not-awful 11th gen 8-core i7 laptop. The M1 is nowhere near as fast as a full-blown 16 core desktop CPU. I am sure we will see reviews against high end intel and amd laptops very soon, and I wont be surprised if real world performance blows people away, as the M1 Air did. [1] https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-event/images/Screen%20Shot%202021-10-18%20at%2012.21.54%20PM.jpg https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-even...

spacedcowboy 5y ago
... and neither is the M1 (in any configuration) a "full blown 16 core desktop CPU". Those will be called M2 and come later next year, according to the rumor mill anyway.
- lowbloodsugar 5y ago
  Sorry, that is what I meant. I'll edit.

klelatti 5y ago

How is it disingenuous - defined in my dictionary as not candid - when we know precisely which chips they are comparing against? They are giving Mac laptop users information to try to persuade them to upgrade from their 2017 MacBook Pros and this is probably the most relevant comparison.

eugeniub 5y ago
I'm pretty sure they are comparing them with 2019/2020 MacBook Pros, which apparently have chips originally launched 2017.
- klelatti 5y ago
  Looks to me like they are comparing against 2020 MBPs (at least for 13 inch) which use 10nm Ice Lake so nothing to do with 2017 at all!!

ac29 5y ago

Intel's 2021 laptop chips (Alder Lake) are rumoured to be released later this month (usually actual availability is a few months after "release"). I expect them to be pretty compelling compared to the previous generation Intel parts, and maybe even vs AMD's latest. But the new "Intel 7" node (formerly 10++ or something) is almost certainly going to be behind TSMC N5 in power and performance, so Apple will most likely still have the upper hand.

mhh__ 5y ago
I'd still bet on Apple for the all round package for a laptop but Intel should be coming out of the gates flying when Alder Lake launches. This is their first ISA that actually reacts to Zen, from what I've heard.
- dannyw 5y ago
  Various leaked benchmarks show it outperforms the comparable Ryzens (and it's pretty obvious these rumours are sanctioned by Intel by their copious omission of watt numbers).
schmorptron 5y ago
Are those the ones with big.LITTLE designs already?

Rapzid 5y ago

When M1 first released they pulled some marketing voodoo and you always saw the actively cooled performance numbers listed with the passively cooled TDP :D Nearly every tech article/review was reporting those two numbers together.

00deadbeef 5y ago

I thought they compared it with an i9-9980HK which is the top-end 2019 chip in the outgoing 16" MBP?

fay59 5y ago

I suspect that’s because they: 1- want to convince people still on Intel Macs to update 2- lengthen the news cycle when the first units are shipped to the tech press and _they_ run these benchmarks