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The notch gives us smaller bezels / more screen real-estate. It _kind of_ makes sense.

by thatswrong0 5y ago

Oddskar 5y ago
smaller bezels Not really, no. The Dell XPS for instance has just as small bezels but without a notch.
- thatswrong0 5y ago
  720p webcam though, just like the old macbooks. Don't really know how thick the screen is though on either
  - dont__panic 5y ago
    I suppose it does boil down to how much they improved the webcam. If it's still crap like the old one, why bother with the notch? Just slap a 720p webcam on there in the bezel and ditch the notch. Sidenote: I think Apple could make a killing selling a $200 4k webcam. The market doesn't have many good options now, and I'm sure many Mac users would buy one.
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    - johndoe0815 5y ago
      The original Apple iSight camera (640x480 resolution Firewire cam) was really nice for 2003. It retailed for US$149. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISight
- mrtranscendence 5y ago
  The Dell XPS has, hands down, no joking, the absolute most dogshit webcam I've ever seen. Maybe they need a notch.
  - Gigachad 5y ago
    And for the longest time they put it in the bottom left corner for a good view up your nose. They also seem to mount the mic inside the fan bearings.
    - mrtranscendence 5y ago
      I’d heard about the dreaded bottom camera. I bought an XPS for my fiancée a few weeks ago. I’d heard the XPS camera wasn’t great, but it turned out far worse than I could have feared. They couldn’t have made a worse camera if they tried. She needs a decent webcam for doing teletherapy, so we had to send it back. Unfortunately, I’ve not been able to find a laptop that has a good webcam. We’ll probably just get her a MacBook Air, which is at least serviceable in that regard. (I’d get her a 14 inch MBP but she won’t let me spend that much on a laptop.)
- satysin 5y ago
  Having used many Dell XPS with the webcam in different locations they're all terrible. If a notch is the compromise needed for thinner bezel while retaining good webcam quality that is fine with me. You don't lose any screen space after all. It just means the menubar (which is a real waste of screen space) gets moved up and your "desktop area" is the true rectangular size of the display. Sure it looks odd but I can see it working very well due to macOS's menubar UI design. On Windows it wouldn't work nearly as well. Interestingly it would work very well on GNOME (with the clock moved to the right hand side) as well!

The notch gives us smaller bezels / more screen real-estate. It _kind of_ makes sense.

Oddskar 5y ago

smaller bezels Not really, no. The Dell XPS for instance has just as small bezels but without a notch.

thatswrong0 5y ago
720p webcam though, just like the old macbooks. Don't really know how thick the screen is though on either
- dont__panic 5y ago
  I suppose it does boil down to how much they improved the webcam. If it's still crap like the old one, why bother with the notch? Just slap a 720p webcam on there in the bezel and ditch the notch. Sidenote: I think Apple could make a killing selling a $200 4k webcam. The market doesn't have many good options now, and I'm sure many Mac users would buy one.
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  - johndoe0815 5y ago
    The original Apple iSight camera (640x480 resolution Firewire cam) was really nice for 2003. It retailed for US$149. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISight
mrtranscendence 5y ago
The Dell XPS has, hands down, no joking, the absolute most dogshit webcam I've ever seen. Maybe they need a notch.
- Gigachad 5y ago
  And for the longest time they put it in the bottom left corner for a good view up your nose. They also seem to mount the mic inside the fan bearings.
  - mrtranscendence 5y ago
    I’d heard about the dreaded bottom camera. I bought an XPS for my fiancée a few weeks ago. I’d heard the XPS camera wasn’t great, but it turned out far worse than I could have feared. They couldn’t have made a worse camera if they tried. She needs a decent webcam for doing teletherapy, so we had to send it back. Unfortunately, I’ve not been able to find a laptop that has a good webcam. We’ll probably just get her a MacBook Air, which is at least serviceable in that regard. (I’d get her a 14 inch MBP but she won’t let me spend that much on a laptop.)
satysin 5y ago
Having used many Dell XPS with the webcam in different locations they're all terrible. If a notch is the compromise needed for thinner bezel while retaining good webcam quality that is fine with me. You don't lose any screen space after all. It just means the menubar (which is a real waste of screen space) gets moved up and your "desktop area" is the true rectangular size of the display. Sure it looks odd but I can see it working very well due to macOS's menubar UI design. On Windows it wouldn't work nearly as well. Interestingly it would work very well on GNOME (with the clock moved to the right hand side) as well!