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It's great Apple is changing course back to where they were in 2013. What sucks is that all those laptops built between 2013 and 2022 will be dogs on the used m

It's great Apple is changing course back to where they were in 2013. What sucks is that all those laptops built between 2013 and 2022 will be dogs on the used market. For my money, I'm getting the Framework latop and I'm going to bite the bullet and run (in order of preference) FreeBSD, NixOS, or some Linux (Ubuntu, probably). I'm tired of Apple's shit.

dmicah 5y ago
The touchbar Macbook Pros were released 2016 rather than 2013.
criddell 5y ago
> all those laptops built between 2013 and 2022 will be dogs on the used market In what sense? I'd bet they still sell for more than similar Windows laptops from those years.
- buu700 5y ago
  I assume they mean by comparison to what they would have gone for in an alternate timeline where Apple hadn't bungled the design in the first place. They could have released another five years of evolutionary updates to the MBPr line instead, and then everything released between 2015 and the first half of 2020 would have looked less obsolete by comparison. i.e. There would be more demand in the used market for those machines if they were more cosmetically similar, even if lacking Apple Silicon and mini LED screens.
trias 5y ago
what happened in 2013?
wwweston 5y ago
2013-2022 will probably still be in demand for anybody that's camping out on Mojave to keep 32 bit support or has Intel-related needs, though that demand profile will of course change over time. Framework + Linux sure seems compelling, though. I'm definitely tempted to try it.
Joeri 5y ago
What sucks is that all those laptops built between 2013 and 2022 will be dogs on the used market. Prices will fall, and they have been falling, but they’re not going to crater. The high end models will sell to people that have workloads that are intel only. The cheaper models will sell to people who want to pay less than the price of a new mac, or who don’t understand what they’re buying and think they’re getting a good deal on a 3 year old pro mac priced above the m1 air.
asdff 5y ago
Some people will still be needing an intel machine or a bootcamp machine for software compatibility reasons
movedx 5y ago
> FreeBSD, NixOS, or some Linux (Ubuntu, probably). I'm tired of Apple's shit. You're tired of Apple's "shit", so you want to build a laptop on top of hardware that cannot be taken to a store and replaced the same day (Apple) and install an OS like FreeBSD which is going to be rock solid but supported by virtually no one? I'm all up for FreeBSD and Linux - love them and have ran them both on laptops and desktops for years - but given I want to get work done and collaborate with other people they're not good options. Personally I think you'll build a great machine that will blow the socks off of a MBP, but you'll be battling with interoperability with other people and businesses; and you'll be battling the OS itself to keep it working as a slight driver change breaks everything. And that doesn't even mention the hardware issue: what happens when something pops? Just some thoughts to consider.
- javajosh 5y ago
  Well, like so many people, I've not given much thought to what I'll do if my laptop "pops", because I've had this one for 8 years now, and it's been pretty solid all that time. Presumably if it blew up tomorrow I'd use my phone to pick up a used laptop of some kind and restore from backup. Right now that's an MBPr. In future I hope my FreeBSD Framework. As for sharing, I believe I can run what I need to be productive under FreeBSD. But time will tell. (It would be nice if a FreeBSD guru would volunteer to baby the Framework crowd with a guide. I would click the paypal donate button.)
  - movedx 5y ago
    I think you'll be fine, but I just wanted to point out the possibility that there could be interopability problems with other people, especially if that machine is something you take on site with you to clients, etc. That might not be a thing for you, though. Would love to see how you go because, and this is where I get honest: I want to move to FreeBSD on the desktop and basically just use a browser and VSCode with Remote-SSH. That's what I do now on a $3,000 MBP. It's something I can do, technically, on a $300 Chromebook.
- moondev 5y ago
  Considering the framework laptop is the most user repairable laptop ever released, your comments are pretty confusing. https://frame.work/marketplace https://frame.work/marketplace

dmicah 5y ago

The touchbar Macbook Pros were released 2016 rather than 2013.

criddell 5y ago

> all those laptops built between 2013 and 2022 will be dogs on the used market In what sense? I'd bet they still sell for more than similar Windows laptops from those years.

buu700 5y ago
I assume they mean by comparison to what they would have gone for in an alternate timeline where Apple hadn't bungled the design in the first place. They could have released another five years of evolutionary updates to the MBPr line instead, and then everything released between 2015 and the first half of 2020 would have looked less obsolete by comparison. i.e. There would be more demand in the used market for those machines if they were more cosmetically similar, even if lacking Apple Silicon and mini LED screens.

trias 5y ago

what happened in 2013?

wwweston 5y ago

2013-2022 will probably still be in demand for anybody that's camping out on Mojave to keep 32 bit support or has Intel-related needs, though that demand profile will of course change over time. Framework + Linux sure seems compelling, though. I'm definitely tempted to try it.

Joeri 5y ago

What sucks is that all those laptops built between 2013 and 2022 will be dogs on the used market. Prices will fall, and they have been falling, but they’re not going to crater. The high end models will sell to people that have workloads that are intel only. The cheaper models will sell to people who want to pay less than the price of a new mac, or who don’t understand what they’re buying and think they’re getting a good deal on a 3 year old pro mac priced above the m1 air.

asdff 5y ago

Some people will still be needing an intel machine or a bootcamp machine for software compatibility reasons

movedx 5y ago

> FreeBSD, NixOS, or some Linux (Ubuntu, probably). I'm tired of Apple's shit. You're tired of Apple's "shit", so you want to build a laptop on top of hardware that cannot be taken to a store and replaced the same day (Apple) and install an OS like FreeBSD which is going to be rock solid but supported by virtually no one? I'm all up for FreeBSD and Linux - love them and have ran them both on laptops and desktops for years - but given I want to get work done and collaborate with other people they're not good options. Personally I think you'll build a great machine that will blow the socks off of a MBP, but you'll be battling with interoperability with other people and businesses; and you'll be battling the OS itself to keep it working as a slight driver change breaks everything. And that doesn't even mention the hardware issue: what happens when something pops? Just some thoughts to consider.

javajosh 5y ago
Well, like so many people, I've not given much thought to what I'll do if my laptop "pops", because I've had this one for 8 years now, and it's been pretty solid all that time. Presumably if it blew up tomorrow I'd use my phone to pick up a used laptop of some kind and restore from backup. Right now that's an MBPr. In future I hope my FreeBSD Framework. As for sharing, I believe I can run what I need to be productive under FreeBSD. But time will tell. (It would be nice if a FreeBSD guru would volunteer to baby the Framework crowd with a guide. I would click the paypal donate button.)
- movedx 5y ago
  I think you'll be fine, but I just wanted to point out the possibility that there could be interopability problems with other people, especially if that machine is something you take on site with you to clients, etc. That might not be a thing for you, though. Would love to see how you go because, and this is where I get honest: I want to move to FreeBSD on the desktop and basically just use a browser and VSCode with Remote-SSH. That's what I do now on a $3,000 MBP. It's something I can do, technically, on a $300 Chromebook.
moondev 5y ago
Considering the framework laptop is the most user repairable laptop ever released, your comments are pretty confusing. https://frame.work/marketplace https://frame.work/marketplace