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And they made a new bad decision: a notch.
by robertoandred 5y ago
And they made a new bad decision: a notch.
- hamstergene 5y agomacOS has grey menu bar where the notch is, that stays unused 100% of the time.
- bluescrn 5y agoThe XCode menus on my 2015 MBP 15" go well into the 'notch zone'.
- sings 5y agoYeah I wonder how this will be resolved. The screenshots of Photoshop on the Apple store page show a menu that runs quite close to the notch. Will menu items be truncated or pop up randomly on the other side? How will it work for less terse languages like German?
- dmitriid 5y agoI routinely don't have enough space there. Any professional app (and these laptops are squarely aimed at professionals) will eat into this "unused gray space". Add a few apps that add ions to the menu bar, and suddenly you already have no space even without the notch.
- spullara 5y agoThis isn't a bad decision. They are literally adding more space on the screen that would normally be useless.
- ghostly_s 5y agoThere is a generous bezel remaining below the screen. They could simply shift the display downward and have the same size display in the exact same footprint without the notch. It's a purely aesthetic choice.
- sekai 5y agoIt's not useless, remember that full-screen is thing?
- Hamuko 5y agoNow you get the same amount of window space without losing the menu bar.
- ericsoderstrom 5y agoThink you misunderstood the parent comment. Full screen doesn't somehow add pixels into a bezel
- cassianoleal 5y agoFull screen doesn't extend to the sides of the camera on current laptops. All that's there is the bezel.
- ninkendo 5y agoIf somebody wrote a plugin that simply moved the menubar (and the maximum top of fullscreen apps) $height_of_notch pixels lower and drew nothing but black above it, would you be happy? Because that would give you parity with existing macbooks.
- jwitthuhn 5y agoI would be incredibly happy with this but I'm not sure it is possible. I certainly hope so!
- cruano 5y agoThe bad decision is not adding face id to the notch
- spullara 5y agoHey, I can agree with this and who knows if they aren't planning on doing it.
- gregoriol 5y agoMaybe they are going to remove Face ID from iPhones instead, which would be a good decision?
- majjam 5y agoI would like that but I assumed I was in the minority - have you heard thats planned?
- mrtranscendence 5y agoI've never heard a rumor of anything approaching "Apple plans to get rid of Face ID". I don't see how it's possible, at least until fingerprint readers under the screen are 100% reliable, and even then. The only time I've seen people complaining about Face ID is when wearing masks (though pairing it with an Apple Watch fixes that).
- sumedh 5y ago> at least until fingerprint readers under the screen are 100% reliable I am using a $200 Oppo with screen fingerprint reader, never had any issues.
- mrtranscendence 5y agoInteresting! How fast is it?
- shbooms 5y agoThe new Dell XPS's managed to squeeze their camera/mic up above without needing a notch[0]. I'm guessing Apple had the ability to do so too but decided not to either because a.) they're planning on adding FaceID at some point in new models and/or b.) because they're trying to "unify" the design aestethics on macOS and iOS [0] https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81FV+91am5L._AC_SL1500_.jpg https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81FV+91am5L._AC_SL1500_....
- eugeniub 5y agoDell XPS webcams are generally really inferior to MacBook Pro webcams. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgFd_w2n1es&t=193s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgFd_w2n1es&t=193s shows a good comparison between the M1 MacBook Pro from last year and the 13" Dell XPS. The difference is night and day, even though the M1 MacBook Pro has a 720p resolution. I imagine the difference is similar with the larger 1080p webcam on the new MacBook Pros that, as mentioned in the announcement, has a larger aperture to let in more light and a larger image sensor.
- spullara 5y agoVery easy to squeeze a shitty camera wherever you feel like it. Maybe Dell should move the FN key to the left of the CTRL key instead so their keyboard was tenable.
- lovelyviking 5y ago>"This isn't a bad decision." Of course it's not a bad decision. It's idiotic decision. They literally added something to spoil what was needed. They could just fix their previous idiocy but no .. they had to add another one. Even the fact of it presence is annoying enough to avoid buying such model. It is "uuugly" (with S.Jobs intonation) and that should be enough. It's also invitation for more SW bugs and unnecessary complications. My Menubar is set to autohide and even that is not working properly because some windows from time to time stuck in a mode when they fail to extend themselves to occupy space where MenuBar was. They stuck in size FullScreenSize.Height-MenuBar.Height and you cannot change it unless you reboot the machine. It's obviously a bug. They cannot fix it for many OS versions already. Imagine adding to this bug another complication with notch ... Goodness. Let's not forget that other idiots are going to copy it everywhere without too much thinking too. "Ugly" argument should be enough. But there are more: How about mouse pointer. Should it be stuck once you reach this notch or it should pass through? Both ways it is idiotic. How about full screenshot - it will be with notch now? How about those apps that would fail to hide it? I am pretty sure you'll stuck with this status bar spoiling the whole picture here and there. How about multiple screens and complications with moving windows from one screen to another with keeping their size or complications with screeenshots when multiple screens are connected? What if you have a lot of menu items in your app? Some of them will be after the notch? And all of this for what? To solve something that was already solved long time ago by "autohiding" MenuBar? For my taste adding this absolutely useless "notch" is really idiotic decision . The very presence of this ugly notch is spoiling the feeling. Even knowing that this device was made by people who find this idiotic notch aesthetically pleasing spoils everything because you know it's not the first idiocy and not the last idiocy you'll find there when you dig deeper. At least this is my expectation now. I was correct about ports, I was correct about keyboard, I was correct about idiocy of touch bar, lack of magsafe and I think I am not mistaken here too. They could've ask me, would save them a lot of redundant efforts in production. I use laptop to it's maximum and described my usage in details somewhere in comments. I really use laptop as laptop and I use each and every feature of it.
- lewisflude 5y agoSo you would rather have a thick bezel containing the camera, as before?
- mohanmcgeek 5y agoI'm afraid other manufacturers are going to copy it.
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- Spivak 5y agoI mean I have a 2019 MBP and right now the space next to the camera module is black bezel. What possible harm could be done buy adding pixels to those areas?
- ianai 5y agoThe notch is awful. But the prices are worse. I really wanted to buy something today but those two factors are very off-putting.
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- bmitc 5y agoBut of what use are they? It saves you like a dozen or so pixels when apps aren't in full screen, and they don't do anything in full screen mode. Wouldn't hiding the menu bar save the same amount of pixels without the notch? I personally find notches to be very distracting visually, and I just don't like them from a design standpoint. I think Apple recognizes this even. Looking at their marketing material. You have to scroll pretty far down to ever be shown the notch, as it seems they're intentionally hiding it with apps in full screen mode.
- hparadiz 5y agoThe notch issue can probably be fixed though just by turning it off and that area will just be black space. I hate the notch too so I'll probably just do that.
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- aqme28 5y agoWould you prefer a larger bezel?
- satvikpendem 5y agoI would prefer something like the Dell XPS laptops, very minimal bezel with a camera and screen that still looks edge to edge. I'm talking about the new XPS ones, not the old ones with the camera at the bottom of the screen.
- philosopher1234 5y agoThen buy a Dell XPS laptop? Why do macbooks need to be perfect for everyone?
- hu3 5y agoWhat kind of comment is this? Your parent expressed a valid criticism followed by a reasonable solution. It's not like Apple can't do the same as Dell.
- ianai 5y agoI have to think Dell and others could have put in a notch if they wanted to make that compromise. They clearly felt it better to either do it right (and find a way to nestle the camera stuff into the bezel) than to go full notch.
- satvikpendem 5y agoIs a company not beyond reproach? Can't I like the product but still criticize its flaws?
- philosopher1234 5y agoBut it’s not a flaw. There’s nothing objective here. The notch is preferable for many, and annoying to some.
- backoncemore 5y agoI don't have any issues with the notch.
- ashtonkem 5y agoI think it's really funny how they undid every single complaint this crowd had, and rather than focusing on that, people are complaining about the notch.
- rimliu 5y agoI have a suspicion that most vocal notch haters are not even users of Apple products. Notch on iPhone? It is in the status bar anyway, so mostly does not matter. Notch on a mac? Same. Right now I have just an empty space in the center of the menu bar. I could not care less if notch takes a bit of that space.
- wayneftw 5y agoWell, it's kinda like if someone made a really nice meal for you but left a booger on the top of the plate. You'd complain about that booger, right?
- ashtonkem 5y agoHow unnecessarily dramatic. They fixed so many things, on the balance this seems like a good deal for those of us that use MBPs. Implying that you’d reject all those changes over the notch seems quite silly to me. Personally I think everyone will forget the notch in a few weeks. We got over it for phones, which have much less screen real estate to spare. If the extra space enables a permanently visible status bar in OSX, even when full screen with apps, then I personally will be thrilled with this change.
- hparadiz 5y agoNah I'm not gonna spend 3500 on this.
- ashtonkem 5y agoAssuming you’re willing to buy a MBP personally, skipping it over the notch seems inexplicable to me. In every other way this seems like the best MBP delivered in a literal decade, assuming they didn’t mess up the keyboard. Much faster processor, faster display, better keyboard, better peripherals, and finally removing the 16GB memory cap. They even maintained compatibility for people like me who prefer single cable docks. Of course if price is the reason, then that makes more sense. Apple seems to be returning to a wider (and more reasonable imho) price and performance gap between the pro and the air. If I was in the market for a laptop, and I’m not because I think laptops are silly in general[0], I’d go for an air. The pro is very much in the “work will buy one for me” price, and it offers performance I don’t really need out of a personal machine. 0 - As I’ve said before, laptops generally compromise too much for my tastes. Like many others I work entirely from a desk, so my personal mac is and always will be a mini. But since work will inevitably give me one of these, I’m thrilled that they’ve made it so much better, even if I wouldn’t buy one myself.
- seumars 5y agoSwitching to fullscreen keeps everything below the notch, judging from the screenshots. I'm betting they'll add an accessibility option to keep the UI below the notch as well.