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Just for the sake of example, I consider solving partial differential equations challenging. Listening is not challenging. One may not do it for a variety of re

Just for the sake of example, I consider solving partial differential equations challenging. Listening is not challenging. One may not do it for a variety of reason, but we call can do it no exception, the act is as easy as it gets. A bit like walking.

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Jensson 5y ago
> A bit like walking. Walking is extremely challenging for a lot of people so that argument would contradict your point. But it is a good analogy, a lot of people who have problems talking to people and listening also have problems walking properly. So just as you say walking is trivial to some but others just can't get it right.
- borroka 5y ago
  Walking is easy for the vast majority of people who work, let's try not to complicate things for the sake of it. Listening is easy too, what is more complicate is, "listen and do exactly as I say", which one may or may not do for a variety of reasons.
  - groby_b 5y ago
    Listening is not "just sit there and let the sound wash over you". That part is easy. Active listening is much more involved. It involves, among other things, developing empathy for the person talking, trying to understand their emotions and deeper reasons. Not just taking in what they say, but trying to understand what it means, and why they say it. It is very much a skill you are not exercising in this thread.
    - borroka 5y ago
      Quite the opposite, in fact. I am listening and disagreeing. I don't want you to agree with me, you do. I listen and form my opinion. It is exactly what I was talking about. To you, listening means the listener agreeing with you. To me, it is the listener understanding your point, which I do. And I believe you are very wrong. If you come into a conversation expecting other people to "listen" the way that you intend (i.e., agreeing with you), you'll often be unsatisfied. Now (I am empathetic here, wearing my manager's hat), it may very well be that I am wrong here (I am not), and surely I believe you have great potential (who knows) and the company needs people like you (whatever that means). We'll continue this conversation at the our next 1:1.

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Jensson 5y ago

> A bit like walking. Walking is extremely challenging for a lot of people so that argument would contradict your point. But it is a good analogy, a lot of people who have problems talking to people and listening also have problems walking properly. So just as you say walking is trivial to some but others just can't get it right.

borroka 5y ago
Walking is easy for the vast majority of people who work, let's try not to complicate things for the sake of it. Listening is easy too, what is more complicate is, "listen and do exactly as I say", which one may or may not do for a variety of reasons.
- groby_b 5y ago
  Listening is not "just sit there and let the sound wash over you". That part is easy. Active listening is much more involved. It involves, among other things, developing empathy for the person talking, trying to understand their emotions and deeper reasons. Not just taking in what they say, but trying to understand what it means, and why they say it. It is very much a skill you are not exercising in this thread.
  - borroka 5y ago
    Quite the opposite, in fact. I am listening and disagreeing. I don't want you to agree with me, you do. I listen and form my opinion. It is exactly what I was talking about. To you, listening means the listener agreeing with you. To me, it is the listener understanding your point, which I do. And I believe you are very wrong. If you come into a conversation expecting other people to "listen" the way that you intend (i.e., agreeing with you), you'll often be unsatisfied. Now (I am empathetic here, wearing my manager's hat), it may very well be that I am wrong here (I am not), and surely I believe you have great potential (who knows) and the company needs people like you (whatever that means). We'll continue this conversation at the our next 1:1.