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> Under the screen has image quality issues. I don't care. You need to process the hell out of a selfie image so you don't look like a goblin anyway. I'm sure

> Under the screen has image quality issues. I don't care. You need to process the hell out of a selfie image so you don't look like a goblin anyway. I'm sure the ML wizards at Apple can figure this out. > A thicker bezel means less screen space. The notch is a huge bezel with cutouts. > Sticking up over the display is a worse compromise. Putting it on the bottom of the display really isn't ideal. I agree. > For most people, the only thing it covers is the menu bar. It's not about what it covers, it's about harmony. A small hole is also superior, though most Android phones do not get the positioning right either. No, I don't care about Face ID, especially in the era of COVID. A finger print reader on the side or on the back is superior.

Jtsummers 5y ago
> No, I don't care about Face ID, especially in the era of COVID. A finger print reader on the side or on the back is superior. Conveniently, these have a fingerprint reader still on the device.
ceejayoz 5y ago
> The notch is a huge bezel with cutouts. The notch is a tiny part of what remains of the previous bezel. That space isn't usable on an older M1 MBP, either.
- incrudible 5y ago
  It's not about usable space. It's about the look. A smaller bezel doesn't lead to a better appearance by itself, but even then I'm sure they could've made the bezel smaller either way. However, the notch isn't made to be of minimal size. It's intrusive. It's telling me: I'm here, deal with it.
  - cbm-vic-20 5y ago
    Maybe someone can make an extension that will keep the rows where the notch lives black, and tell the OS that those rows aren't there. Problem solved.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    > It's not about usable space. Why shouldn't it be? That space was black on the old MBP. It's black on the new MBP. I've now got two newly usable strips where the bezel used to be. The top menu bar is already left/right split, so it fits fairly naturally in there; my movies won't be any bigger or smaller with it. I went from iPhone SE to 13 and the notch there was a nothingburger. Thirty seconds after the "oh right, there's a notch" it's mostly forgotten.

Jtsummers 5y ago

> No, I don't care about Face ID, especially in the era of COVID. A finger print reader on the side or on the back is superior. Conveniently, these have a fingerprint reader still on the device.

ceejayoz 5y ago

> The notch is a huge bezel with cutouts. The notch is a tiny part of what remains of the previous bezel. That space isn't usable on an older M1 MBP, either.

incrudible 5y ago
It's not about usable space. It's about the look. A smaller bezel doesn't lead to a better appearance by itself, but even then I'm sure they could've made the bezel smaller either way. However, the notch isn't made to be of minimal size. It's intrusive. It's telling me: I'm here, deal with it.
- cbm-vic-20 5y ago
  Maybe someone can make an extension that will keep the rows where the notch lives black, and tell the OS that those rows aren't there. Problem solved.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > It's not about usable space. Why shouldn't it be? That space was black on the old MBP. It's black on the new MBP. I've now got two newly usable strips where the bezel used to be. The top menu bar is already left/right split, so it fits fairly naturally in there; my movies won't be any bigger or smaller with it. I went from iPhone SE to 13 and the notch there was a nothingburger. Thirty seconds after the "oh right, there's a notch" it's mostly forgotten.