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I was surprised at the price point as well

gunshai 5y ago
Maybe, I am missing something but the price seems high. Possibly this is reflected in my general consumer use case, but all of my high computation oriented use cases are offloaded to a desktop. Where are you deriving the majority of the value for this offering?
- javajosh 5y ago
  In general, the people here will use the perf to run webpack faster.
  - cuddlecake 5y ago
    webpack is usually fast enough, jest is where I need CPU & RAM. If I were to write tests, that is.
    - Oddskar 5y ago
      Pro tip: if you can switch some tests from using JSDOM to Node as the test environment they will run significantly faster.
      - cuddlecake 5y ago
        Ah, thanks for the tip. It will probably not change much for the project I currently work on, with tests using react-testing-library, so JSDOM is required in nearly all test files. But at least now I know :D
- kgermino 5y ago
  >all of my high computation oriented use cases are offloaded to a desktop. That's very unusual. If you want a laptop for the easy stuff you're usually looking at a MacBook Air or iPad in the Apple ecosystem. These laptops are focused on people who want to be able to do "everything" on a portable computer.
  - gunshai 5y ago
    >These laptops are focused on people who want to be able to do "everything" on a portable computer. At some point when you are "doing everything" you start to be tied to a physical location anyway. Multiple screens, hook ups to external equipment. So it just doesn't make much sense to me to actually need to do everything in a portable manner. Edit: Apologies, I didn't address the part about the Mac OS ecosystem.
    - zarzavat 5y ago
      This is for people who require portability epsilon percent of the time. If you never require portability then a desktop is sufficient. If you frequently require portability then it's worth getting an air and building your workflow (if possible) around offloading heavy computation to the network, e.g. heavy use of build servers, SSH, syncing. But many people spend most of their time at a desk, but sometimes require portability. For example in a meeting, visiting a client, working from home occasionally, etc. For these people a heavy duty laptop is the best solution.
  - schleck8 5y ago
    > These laptops are focused on people who want to be able to do "everything" on a portable computer Like 3D rendering? Or deep learning training?
    - kgermino 5y ago
      I suspect there are people who want to do 3D rendering on a laptop, and these devices are probably a good option for them. More broadly, that's why I put 'everything' in quotes. There will always be cutting edge workflows that require the power and cooling you can only get on a desktop or server, but that's a minority of a minority. There are plenty of people who want to run multiple VMs, edit/render 4k+ videos, edit large audio projects, do semi-complex data analysis, or any of 100 other tasks without needing to choose power vs portability, or manage multiple devices.
      - 5y ago
- ghaff 5y ago
  >my high computation oriented use cases are offloaded to a desktop That used to be pretty common. But I'll almost certainly use one of these to replace ~2015 vintage iMac and MacBook Pro. Unless you want to keep the contents on a laptop and a desktop separate or have very high-end multimedia workload requirements, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense to pay for and manage two separate devices at this point.
- hbOY5ENiZloUfnZ 5y ago
  The previous "high end" 13" Macbook Pro started at $1800 so this is a $200 increase for larger higher resolution 120Hz screen, much faster performance, and all the ports they took out years ago.
- fastball 5y ago
  I don't have a desktop. I think a lot of pros these days don't.

Maybe, I am missing something but the price seems high. Possibly this is reflected in my general consumer use case, but all of my high computation oriented use cases are offloaded to a desktop. Where are you deriving the majority of the value for this offering?

javajosh 5y ago
In general, the people here will use the perf to run webpack faster.
- cuddlecake 5y ago
  webpack is usually fast enough, jest is where I need CPU & RAM. If I were to write tests, that is.
  - Oddskar 5y ago
    Pro tip: if you can switch some tests from using JSDOM to Node as the test environment they will run significantly faster.
    - cuddlecake 5y ago
      Ah, thanks for the tip. It will probably not change much for the project I currently work on, with tests using react-testing-library, so JSDOM is required in nearly all test files. But at least now I know :D
kgermino 5y ago
>all of my high computation oriented use cases are offloaded to a desktop. That's very unusual. If you want a laptop for the easy stuff you're usually looking at a MacBook Air or iPad in the Apple ecosystem. These laptops are focused on people who want to be able to do "everything" on a portable computer.
- gunshai 5y ago
  >These laptops are focused on people who want to be able to do "everything" on a portable computer. At some point when you are "doing everything" you start to be tied to a physical location anyway. Multiple screens, hook ups to external equipment. So it just doesn't make much sense to me to actually need to do everything in a portable manner. Edit: Apologies, I didn't address the part about the Mac OS ecosystem.
  - zarzavat 5y ago
    This is for people who require portability epsilon percent of the time. If you never require portability then a desktop is sufficient. If you frequently require portability then it's worth getting an air and building your workflow (if possible) around offloading heavy computation to the network, e.g. heavy use of build servers, SSH, syncing. But many people spend most of their time at a desk, but sometimes require portability. For example in a meeting, visiting a client, working from home occasionally, etc. For these people a heavy duty laptop is the best solution.
- schleck8 5y ago
  > These laptops are focused on people who want to be able to do "everything" on a portable computer Like 3D rendering? Or deep learning training?
  - kgermino 5y ago
    I suspect there are people who want to do 3D rendering on a laptop, and these devices are probably a good option for them. More broadly, that's why I put 'everything' in quotes. There will always be cutting edge workflows that require the power and cooling you can only get on a desktop or server, but that's a minority of a minority. There are plenty of people who want to run multiple VMs, edit/render 4k+ videos, edit large audio projects, do semi-complex data analysis, or any of 100 other tasks without needing to choose power vs portability, or manage multiple devices.
    - 5y ago
ghaff 5y ago
>my high computation oriented use cases are offloaded to a desktop That used to be pretty common. But I'll almost certainly use one of these to replace ~2015 vintage iMac and MacBook Pro. Unless you want to keep the contents on a laptop and a desktop separate or have very high-end multimedia workload requirements, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense to pay for and manage two separate devices at this point.
hbOY5ENiZloUfnZ 5y ago
The previous "high end" 13" Macbook Pro started at $1800 so this is a $200 increase for larger higher resolution 120Hz screen, much faster performance, and all the ports they took out years ago.
fastball 5y ago
I don't have a desktop. I think a lot of pros these days don't.