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I think that Apple took a subtle, not so subtle stand: power consumption has to do with environmental impact.

jeswin 5y ago
Apple almost single-handedly made computing devices non-repairable or upgradable; across their own product line and the industry in general due to their outsized influence.
- masklinn 5y ago
  Weirdly these machines have a "6.1 repairability rating" when you go in their store. I wonder what ifixit will think of them.
- rubyist5eva 5y ago
  It’s almost like it’s just about marketing and not much else…
- GeekyBear 5y ago
  Single handedly? >According to iFixit, the Surface Laptop isn’t repairable at all. In fact, it got a 0 out of 10 for repairability and was labeled a “glue-filled monstrosity.” The lowest scores previously were a 1 out of 10 for all previous iterations of the Surface Pro https://www.extremetech.com/computing/251046-ifixit-labels-surface-laptop-glue-filled-monstrosity https://www.extremetech.com/computing/251046-ifixit-labels-s...
  - davrosthedalek 5y ago
    And they get away with it because Apple normalized it.
  - hh3k0 5y ago
    One might argue that Surface laptops were Microsoft's answer to MacBooks.
    - pb7 5y ago
      If repairability was important to consumers, it would be a selling point for competitors. But it's not.
      - paavohtl 5y ago
        If Apple actually cared about sustainability, they would make their devices repairable.
        pb7 5y ago
        They are repairable, but not by consumers in most cases.
        watermelon0 5y ago
        They are mostly not repairable even by authorized repair providers. Basically, they can only change a few components (keyboard, display (with assembly), motherboard, and probably the aluminium case), but that's it.
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        You literally cannot replace the battery in that Surface Laptop without destroying the whole thing. It's made to be thrown away, instead of repaired.
        pb7 5y ago
        Conversation is about Apple.
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        The conversation is about repairability, and Apple has yet to make a line of products that consistently earns a repairability score of 1 or less.
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- mrtksn 5y ago
  Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired(6s got the glass replaced, the 7 got full assembly replaced) and battery of the 6s replaced at a shop that is not authorized by Apple. It cost me 110$ in total. Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon. What’s that narrative that Apple devices are not upgradable or repairable? It simply not true. If anything, Apple devices are the easiest to get serviced since there are not many models and pretty much all repair shops can deal with all devices that are still usable. Because of this, even broken Apple devices are sold and bought all the time.
  - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
    >Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired Nice, except doing a screen replacement on a modern iPhone like the 13 series will disable your FaceID making your iPhone pretty much worthless. >Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon Nice, but on the modern Macbooks, the SSD is soldered and not replaceable. There is no way to upgrade them or replace them if they break, so you just have to throw away the whole laptop. So yea, parent was right, Apple devices are the worst for reparability period since the ones you're talking about are not manufactured anymore therefore don't represent the current state of affairs and the ones that are manufactured today are built to not be repaired.
    - mrtksn 5y ago
      Hardware people are crafty, they find ways to transfer and combine working parts. The glass replacement(keeping the original LCD) I got for the 6S is not a procedure provided by Apple. Guess who doesn’t care? The repair shop that bought a machine from China for separating and re-assembly of the Glass and LCD. Screen replacement is 50$, glass replacement is 30$. iPhone 13 is very new, give it a few years and the hardware people will leverage the desire of not spending 1000$ on a new phone when the current one works fine except for that broken part.
      - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
- viktorcode 5y ago
  Apparently, you didn't compare Apple devices with what the bulk of the market consists of. Also, implying that repairability is required for environmental sustainability is questionable at best. People in their vast majority tend to get rid of 5 years old phones and laptops.
- theshrike79 5y ago
  I'm still daily driving a 2015MBP. Got the battery replaced, free under warranty, a few years ago. Running lates MacOS without any issues The phones in my family are an iPhone 6S, iPhone 8 and an iPhone XS. All running the latest iOS. The 6S got a battery swap for 50€, others still going strong. Similar with tablets, we have three and the latest one is a 2017 iPad Pro. All running the latest iPadOS. Stuff doesn't need to be repairable and upgradable if it can outlast the competition by a factor of two while still staying on the latest official OS update. Can't do that with any Android device. A 6 year old PC laptop might still be relevant though.

Apple almost single-handedly made computing devices non-repairable or upgradable; across their own product line and the industry in general due to their outsized influence.

masklinn 5y ago
Weirdly these machines have a "6.1 repairability rating" when you go in their store. I wonder what ifixit will think of them.
rubyist5eva 5y ago
It’s almost like it’s just about marketing and not much else…
GeekyBear 5y ago
Single handedly? >According to iFixit, the Surface Laptop isn’t repairable at all. In fact, it got a 0 out of 10 for repairability and was labeled a “glue-filled monstrosity.” The lowest scores previously were a 1 out of 10 for all previous iterations of the Surface Pro https://www.extremetech.com/computing/251046-ifixit-labels-surface-laptop-glue-filled-monstrosity https://www.extremetech.com/computing/251046-ifixit-labels-s...
- davrosthedalek 5y ago
  And they get away with it because Apple normalized it.
- hh3k0 5y ago
  One might argue that Surface laptops were Microsoft's answer to MacBooks.
  - pb7 5y ago
    If repairability was important to consumers, it would be a selling point for competitors. But it's not.
    - paavohtl 5y ago
      If Apple actually cared about sustainability, they would make their devices repairable.
      - pb7 5y ago
        They are repairable, but not by consumers in most cases.
        watermelon0 5y ago
        They are mostly not repairable even by authorized repair providers. Basically, they can only change a few components (keyboard, display (with assembly), motherboard, and probably the aluminium case), but that's it.
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        You literally cannot replace the battery in that Surface Laptop without destroying the whole thing. It's made to be thrown away, instead of repaired.
        pb7 5y ago
        Conversation is about Apple.
        GeekyBear 5y ago
        The conversation is about repairability, and Apple has yet to make a line of products that consistently earns a repairability score of 1 or less.
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mrtksn 5y ago
Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired(6s got the glass replaced, the 7 got full assembly replaced) and battery of the 6s replaced at a shop that is not authorized by Apple. It cost me 110$ in total. Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon. What’s that narrative that Apple devices are not upgradable or repairable? It simply not true. If anything, Apple devices are the easiest to get serviced since there are not many models and pretty much all repair shops can deal with all devices that are still usable. Because of this, even broken Apple devices are sold and bought all the time.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
  >Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired Nice, except doing a screen replacement on a modern iPhone like the 13 series will disable your FaceID making your iPhone pretty much worthless. >Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon Nice, but on the modern Macbooks, the SSD is soldered and not replaceable. There is no way to upgrade them or replace them if they break, so you just have to throw away the whole laptop. So yea, parent was right, Apple devices are the worst for reparability period since the ones you're talking about are not manufactured anymore therefore don't represent the current state of affairs and the ones that are manufactured today are built to not be repaired.
  - mrtksn 5y ago
    Hardware people are crafty, they find ways to transfer and combine working parts. The glass replacement(keeping the original LCD) I got for the 6S is not a procedure provided by Apple. Guess who doesn’t care? The repair shop that bought a machine from China for separating and re-assembly of the Glass and LCD. Screen replacement is 50$, glass replacement is 30$. iPhone 13 is very new, give it a few years and the hardware people will leverage the desire of not spending 1000$ on a new phone when the current one works fine except for that broken part.
    - ChuckNorris89 5y ago
viktorcode 5y ago
Apparently, you didn't compare Apple devices with what the bulk of the market consists of. Also, implying that repairability is required for environmental sustainability is questionable at best. People in their vast majority tend to get rid of 5 years old phones and laptops.
theshrike79 5y ago
I'm still daily driving a 2015MBP. Got the battery replaced, free under warranty, a few years ago. Running lates MacOS without any issues The phones in my family are an iPhone 6S, iPhone 8 and an iPhone XS. All running the latest iOS. The 6S got a battery swap for 50€, others still going strong. Similar with tablets, we have three and the latest one is a 2017 iPad Pro. All running the latest iPadOS. Stuff doesn't need to be repairable and upgradable if it can outlast the competition by a factor of two while still staying on the latest official OS update. Can't do that with any Android device. A 6 year old PC laptop might still be relevant though.