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This is literally a dream laptop. Improved in every area and lacking in none I can think of right now. And the price is crazy cheap for this performance if you
by ssijak 5y ago
This is literally a dream laptop. Improved in every area and lacking in none I can think of right now. And the price is crazy cheap for this performance if you ask me.
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- caleb-allen 5y agoI was surprised at the price point as well
- gunshai 5y agoMaybe, I am missing something but the price seems high. Possibly this is reflected in my general consumer use case, but all of my high computation oriented use cases are offloaded to a desktop. Where are you deriving the majority of the value for this offering?
- javajosh 5y agoIn general, the people here will use the perf to run webpack faster.
- cuddlecake 5y agowebpack is usually fast enough, jest is where I need CPU & RAM. If I were to write tests, that is.
- Oddskar 5y agoPro tip: if you can switch some tests from using JSDOM to Node as the test environment they will run significantly faster.
- cuddlecake 5y agoAh, thanks for the tip. It will probably not change much for the project I currently work on, with tests using react-testing-library, so JSDOM is required in nearly all test files. But at least now I know :D
- kgermino 5y ago>all of my high computation oriented use cases are offloaded to a desktop. That's very unusual. If you want a laptop for the easy stuff you're usually looking at a MacBook Air or iPad in the Apple ecosystem. These laptops are focused on people who want to be able to do "everything" on a portable computer.
- gunshai 5y ago>These laptops are focused on people who want to be able to do "everything" on a portable computer. At some point when you are "doing everything" you start to be tied to a physical location anyway. Multiple screens, hook ups to external equipment. So it just doesn't make much sense to me to actually need to do everything in a portable manner. Edit: Apologies, I didn't address the part about the Mac OS ecosystem.
- zarzavat 5y agoThis is for people who require portability epsilon percent of the time. If you never require portability then a desktop is sufficient. If you frequently require portability then it's worth getting an air and building your workflow (if possible) around offloading heavy computation to the network, e.g. heavy use of build servers, SSH, syncing. But many people spend most of their time at a desk, but sometimes require portability. For example in a meeting, visiting a client, working from home occasionally, etc. For these people a heavy duty laptop is the best solution.
- schleck8 5y ago> These laptops are focused on people who want to be able to do "everything" on a portable computer Like 3D rendering? Or deep learning training?
- kgermino 5y agoI suspect there are people who want to do 3D rendering on a laptop, and these devices are probably a good option for them. More broadly, that's why I put 'everything' in quotes. There will always be cutting edge workflows that require the power and cooling you can only get on a desktop or server, but that's a minority of a minority. There are plenty of people who want to run multiple VMs, edit/render 4k+ videos, edit large audio projects, do semi-complex data analysis, or any of 100 other tasks without needing to choose power vs portability, or manage multiple devices.
- ghaff 5y ago>my high computation oriented use cases are offloaded to a desktop That used to be pretty common. But I'll almost certainly use one of these to replace ~2015 vintage iMac and MacBook Pro. Unless you want to keep the contents on a laptop and a desktop separate or have very high-end multimedia workload requirements, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense to pay for and manage two separate devices at this point.
- hbOY5ENiZloUfnZ 5y agoThe previous "high end" 13" Macbook Pro started at $1800 so this is a $200 increase for larger higher resolution 120Hz screen, much faster performance, and all the ports they took out years ago.
- fastball 5y agoI don't have a desktop. I think a lot of pros these days don't.
- moron4hire 5y agoI can think of a huge area in which it's lacking: GPU performance.
- strangecyan 5y agoApple were making direct comparisons to the GE76 Raider 11UH-053 which has a RTX 3080 in it, indicating that it had the same performance for 100W less power consumption. That seems pretty competitive to me!
- mywittyname 5y agoIn what way is it competitive? Like, are there any big titles that I can fire up and have it perform like a desktop gaming PC? Or is it merely competitive in specs or in applications like Illustrator?
- Gigachad 5y agoThey do not market these as gaming devices. The GPU is intended for rendering content for pro use cases. It is competitive if this is your use case.
- moron4hire 5y agoWhere are you seeing that? The only comparisons I've seen were labeled as being against Intel and AMD integrated graphics.
- ubercow13 5y agoIt’s in the presentation.
- moron4hire 5y agoEverything in the OP page that talks about GPU perf has a footnote on it that is comparing speeds to Intel Irix or Radeon Pro 5600 (which is about the same).
- tmp_anon_22 5y agoIts not crazy cheap, a lot of people overvalue mobility when 90% of white collar work is done at home or in an office.
- defaultname 5y agoEven when mobility just means from the office to the kitchen to the couch, that's a pretty big benefit.
- Gigachad 5y agoEven when mobility just means flying to another state for a week, a laptop is still worth it. I would never switch to developing from a desktop now that laptops are so capable.
- jackson1442 5y agoEspecially now, I’d assume more people are doing work at home _and_ at the office. Sure, you could get two desktops and probably for cheaper, but then you have the cost of time wasted switching contexts and messing up file sync, etc. I personally work from home but go to a coffee shop as my “office” for a bit every day. Mobility is crucial to my, and many others’, workflows.
- golergka 5y agoOr on the bench in the park, at the beach, on a boat, camping out of an RV. Remote work opened so many opportunities to work in awesome places all over the world, why wouldn't you take advantage of it?
- sgspace 5y agowhen you work on computers your whole life its nice to be able to get outside every once in a while
- csomar 5y agoIf they can (really) deliver Desktop performance, then they are (really) cheap. There is nothing on the market that can deliver such performance that isn't desktop. But the jury is still early on that one, I'd wait for the reviews.
- fotta 5y agothey brought back the t-shaped arrows too!
- geerlingguy 5y agoThat's been a thing for a couple Intel generations now. I think only the 2016-2017 laptops had those horrible hodgepodge of arrow keys.
- onion2k 5y agoThere is one area where the M1 is lacking - software support. There are still areas (eg Docker) that don't work well. It's definitely coming but it isn't here yet. If you work outside of those areas though, an Apple Arm CPU is amazing.
- thirdlamp 5y agoWhat issues with Docker do you have? I use it every day and have no issues
- baq 5y agoIt’s a vm
- Joeri 5y agoIt was also a vm on intel. It has always been a vm on any OS that’s not linux.
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- ArchOversight 5y agoThis is always going to be the case though. Linux is not macOS and there is no way to do containers on macOS like Linux does.
- Gigachad 5y agoYou also wouldn't want native mac containers. The idea is to run everywhere. Bundling linux in is an improvement for portability when the production for these containers will be linux.
- hiram112 5y agoThis is what I'm afraid of, too. Maybe things are working well and seamless, but the last thing I want to do is have to worry about being the first dev on my team using non-X86, and pushing Arm versions of Docker images all over the place or having to modify my Dockerfiles to use Arm versions instead of X86. One of the reasons Mac was so nice was that everything worked the same locally as it did on Linux prod machines, whereas even today there are subtle bugs with naive Java or Python code that doesn't deal with paths or line endings correctly. On big multi-team projects, there are always some junior devs on Windows that just don't get it right. This seems like another problem waiting to happen as more devs start using Arm, while the majority of developers and environments still use X86.
- dirkg 5y agostrange definition of crazy cheap. esp since we dont know how well it compares yet
- sdan 5y agoYeah I ordered two maxxed out macs for my dad and I. Price not an issue when you factor in opportunity cost. Everything and more I need. Otherwise would need to fork up $20k for a mac pro
- vmception 5y agoYeah I just scooped one up, already just a few hours after this announcement and shipping is no longer oct 26 but instead dec 10 From what I can tell this is very high demand. Obviously we didnt know enough about Apple’s launch planning and inventory but it seems like this only happens when there is very high demand.
- johncalvinyoung 5y agoIt was at December 10th within 30 minutes of the keynote.
- vmception 5y agoMaybe its certain customizations that needed that much lead time, whereas a base model did not