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Ignoring that none of the changes was presented as "revolutionary" (the touchbar wasn't mentioned, magsafe was referred to as "Brought back", and the ports were

Ignoring that none of the changes was presented as "revolutionary" (the touchbar wasn't mentioned, magsafe was referred to as "Brought back", and the ports were simply noted for convenience), for some small but very loud subset of HN users, an Apple event is all a giant lie if it apparently isn't hosted by some sneering Apple detractor. It's an Apple product launch. Like every product launch ever in the history of ever, they point out the features of the thing they launch.

neogodless 5y ago
They said "function keys, replacing the touchbar." So they did mention it. But yes, I don't care how they market it. They'd be dumb to pause and say "oh yeah we were stupid, here's your old toys back."
- kelnos 5y ago
  > They'd be dumb to pause and say "oh yeah we were stupid, here's your old toys back." Maybe I'm weird, but my respect for a company that did that would go way up, not down. Obviously they wouldn't say "we were stupid", but I'd absolutely appreciate an admission along the lines of, "during our design journey over the past X years, we've realized our customers prefer having a full function key row on their keyboard / more ports / MagSafe / etc., so we've listened and are bringing them back!" To me, that signals a group of folks who know they are fallible, listen to customers, and do their best to meet customer needs. But of course admitting those sorts of things wouldn't be consistent with Apple's brand. Apple is all about "we know better than you know what you want and can do no wrong". Which is fine, and seems to have created a lot of success for them, but it's always turned me off.
  - jackson1442 5y ago
    > Maybe I'm weird, but my respect for a company that did that would go way up, not down. I think technically-minded people would take that well, but the business/management types don't like doing stuff like this, likely because it has a chance of making the stock fall (or even just not rise as much as they wanted it to).
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  - stonecharioteer 5y ago
    I wonder how much of the mechanical keyboard community increased sheerly because of the fact that many MacBook owners hated their laptop keeps.
- mywittyname 5y ago
  > "oh yeah we were stupid, here's your old toys back." "We heard your feedback and we listened."
ben-schaaf 5y ago
They've certainly called the touchbar revolutionary: https://twitter.com/apple/status/791704819811573760 https://twitter.com/apple/status/791704819811573760

neogodless 5y ago

They said "function keys, replacing the touchbar." So they did mention it. But yes, I don't care how they market it. They'd be dumb to pause and say "oh yeah we were stupid, here's your old toys back."

kelnos 5y ago
> They'd be dumb to pause and say "oh yeah we were stupid, here's your old toys back." Maybe I'm weird, but my respect for a company that did that would go way up, not down. Obviously they wouldn't say "we were stupid", but I'd absolutely appreciate an admission along the lines of, "during our design journey over the past X years, we've realized our customers prefer having a full function key row on their keyboard / more ports / MagSafe / etc., so we've listened and are bringing them back!" To me, that signals a group of folks who know they are fallible, listen to customers, and do their best to meet customer needs. But of course admitting those sorts of things wouldn't be consistent with Apple's brand. Apple is all about "we know better than you know what you want and can do no wrong". Which is fine, and seems to have created a lot of success for them, but it's always turned me off.
- jackson1442 5y ago
  > Maybe I'm weird, but my respect for a company that did that would go way up, not down. I think technically-minded people would take that well, but the business/management types don't like doing stuff like this, likely because it has a chance of making the stock fall (or even just not rise as much as they wanted it to).
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- stonecharioteer 5y ago
  I wonder how much of the mechanical keyboard community increased sheerly because of the fact that many MacBook owners hated their laptop keeps.
mywittyname 5y ago
> "oh yeah we were stupid, here's your old toys back." "We heard your feedback and we listened."

ben-schaaf 5y ago

They've certainly called the touchbar revolutionary: https://twitter.com/apple/status/791704819811573760 https://twitter.com/apple/status/791704819811573760