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I don't understand why you'd have an issue with it? The screen area cuts into the previous gen's bezel so, at worst, you'd just black out the top of the screen

I don't understand why you'd have an issue with it? The screen area cuts into the previous gen's bezel so, at worst, you'd just black out the top of the screen to have the exact same screen size as before and, at best, you can use the extra display for things like the menu bar. What's the issue?

incrudible 5y ago
If you don't "get it" just by looking at it, then good for you. There are no technical arguments to make me "unsee" it. It's ugly. It displeases my sense of aesthetics. It's the Hitler mustache of industrial design.
- dkonofalski 5y ago
  >It displeases my sense of aesthetics. Or lack thereof.
  - incrudible 5y ago
    No, you! Seriously, look at the promo images that Apple created for this product: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/ The vast majority of these images hide the notch by not showing the menu bar at all, which is not how a Mac is generally used. The other images make it less noticable by putting it over a dark background. Does that convey confidence in the design, by the designers that were tasked to make it look good? The best thing you can say is: It's not that noticeable under certain conditions.
    - laurent92 5y ago
      The notch reminds me of Macron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO0bQ83UMAAUabp.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO0bQ83UMAAUabp.jpg:large It’s not only a joke, it’s also that once you see it, you understand that the aesthetics of a notch aren’t based in sleek features, but in function-over-form.
    - dkonofalski 5y ago
      Or, you know, under nearly every normal use case, it will just blend into the display. It causes no issues on the iPhones and looks just fine for what it is and, aesthetically, I'd prefer to have the slight bit of extra screen space for status icons and menus as opposed to a larger bevel. I don't see you proposing any better, more aesthetically pleasing solution, only complaining.
      - incrudible 5y ago
        > I don't see you proposing any better, more aesthetically pleasing solution, only complaining. How about not having a notch, like literally every other Apple (and non-Apple) laptop? Is that even conceivable?
        zepto 5y ago
        If you think a useless bar of metal at the top of your screen instead of useful display area is attractive then sure.
        dkonofalski 5y ago
        Then where would you put the camera and the sensors that are in there? If you don't have the notch, you have to increase the size of the bezel. Since the notch lives in the empty area of the menu bar, it's a better solution than a bezel and gives more screen real estate in the same form factor. Edit: 'Notch' not 'not'
        incrudible 5y ago
        Yes, have a slightly larger Bezel instead of a huge unappealing notch. Did I mention how much I do not like the notch? Look in any of the comments sections of this new product, how many people are commenting on how this notch is off-putting? Does it seem like a worthy tradeoff? I do not think so.
        dkonofalski 5y ago
        Literally everyone, besides you, in this HN thread is commenting on how it's a good solution and gives more screen real estate while maintaining the aspect ratio. The only people complaining about it, including you, haven't really specified what about it is unappealing.

incrudible 5y ago

If you don't "get it" just by looking at it, then good for you. There are no technical arguments to make me "unsee" it. It's ugly. It displeases my sense of aesthetics. It's the Hitler mustache of industrial design.

dkonofalski 5y ago
>It displeases my sense of aesthetics. Or lack thereof.
- incrudible 5y ago
  No, you! Seriously, look at the promo images that Apple created for this product: https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/ https://www.apple.com/macbook-pro-14-and-16/ The vast majority of these images hide the notch by not showing the menu bar at all, which is not how a Mac is generally used. The other images make it less noticable by putting it over a dark background. Does that convey confidence in the design, by the designers that were tasked to make it look good? The best thing you can say is: It's not that noticeable under certain conditions.
  - laurent92 5y ago
    The notch reminds me of Macron: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO0bQ83UMAAUabp.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DO0bQ83UMAAUabp.jpg:large It’s not only a joke, it’s also that once you see it, you understand that the aesthetics of a notch aren’t based in sleek features, but in function-over-form.
  - dkonofalski 5y ago
    Or, you know, under nearly every normal use case, it will just blend into the display. It causes no issues on the iPhones and looks just fine for what it is and, aesthetically, I'd prefer to have the slight bit of extra screen space for status icons and menus as opposed to a larger bevel. I don't see you proposing any better, more aesthetically pleasing solution, only complaining.
    - incrudible 5y ago
      > I don't see you proposing any better, more aesthetically pleasing solution, only complaining. How about not having a notch, like literally every other Apple (and non-Apple) laptop? Is that even conceivable?
      - zepto 5y ago
        If you think a useless bar of metal at the top of your screen instead of useful display area is attractive then sure.
      - dkonofalski 5y ago
        Then where would you put the camera and the sensors that are in there? If you don't have the notch, you have to increase the size of the bezel. Since the notch lives in the empty area of the menu bar, it's a better solution than a bezel and gives more screen real estate in the same form factor. Edit: 'Notch' not 'not'
        incrudible 5y ago
        Yes, have a slightly larger Bezel instead of a huge unappealing notch. Did I mention how much I do not like the notch? Look in any of the comments sections of this new product, how many people are commenting on how this notch is off-putting? Does it seem like a worthy tradeoff? I do not think so.
        dkonofalski 5y ago
        Literally everyone, besides you, in this HN thread is commenting on how it's a good solution and gives more screen real estate while maintaining the aspect ratio. The only people complaining about it, including you, haven't really specified what about it is unappealing.