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The benchmark to power consumption comparisons were very interesting. It seemed very un-Apple to be making such direct comparisons to competitors, especially wh
by ngngngng 5y ago
The benchmark to power consumption comparisons were very interesting. It seemed very un-Apple to be making such direct comparisons to competitors, especially when the Razer Blade Advanced had slightly better performance with far higher power consumption. I feel like typically Apple just says "Fastest we've ever made, it's so thin, so many nits, you'll love it" and leaves it at that.
I'll be very curious to see those comparisons picked apart when people get their hands on these, and I think it's time for me to give Macbooks another chance after switching exclusively to linux for the past couple years.
- dannyw 5y agoThey're just marketing to the audience (actual Pros; not the whole 'uni student with macbook pro for taking notees'.
- zepto 5y agoThey are selling these to people who know what the competition is, and care.
- _the_inflator 5y agoI think that Apple took a subtle, not so subtle stand: power consumption has to do with environmental impact.
- jeswin 5y agoApple almost single-handedly made computing devices non-repairable or upgradable; across their own product line and the industry in general due to their outsized influence.
- masklinn 5y agoWeirdly these machines have a "6.1 repairability rating" when you go in their store. I wonder what ifixit will think of them.
- rubyist5eva 5y agoIt’s almost like it’s just about marketing and not much else…
- GeekyBear 5y agoSingle handedly? >According to iFixit, the Surface Laptop isn’t repairable at all. In fact, it got a 0 out of 10 for repairability and was labeled a “glue-filled monstrosity.” The lowest scores previously were a 1 out of 10 for all previous iterations of the Surface Pro https://www.extremetech.com/computing/251046-ifixit-labels-surface-laptop-glue-filled-monstrosity https://www.extremetech.com/computing/251046-ifixit-labels-s...
- davrosthedalek 5y agoAnd they get away with it because Apple normalized it.
- hh3k0 5y agoOne might argue that Surface laptops were Microsoft's answer to MacBooks.
- pb7 5y agoIf repairability was important to consumers, it would be a selling point for competitors. But it's not.
- paavohtl 5y agoIf Apple actually cared about sustainability, they would make their devices repairable.
- pb7 5y agoThey are repairable, but not by consumers in most cases.
- watermelon0 5y agoThey are mostly not repairable even by authorized repair providers. Basically, they can only change a few components (keyboard, display (with assembly), motherboard, and probably the aluminium case), but that's it.
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- mrtksn 5y agoJust today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired(6s got the glass replaced, the 7 got full assembly replaced) and battery of the 6s replaced at a shop that is not authorized by Apple. It cost me 110$ in total. Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon. What’s that narrative that Apple devices are not upgradable or repairable? It simply not true. If anything, Apple devices are the easiest to get serviced since there are not many models and pretty much all repair shops can deal with all devices that are still usable. Because of this, even broken Apple devices are sold and bought all the time.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago>Just today I got one 6s and one iPhone 7 screen repaired Nice, except doing a screen replacement on a modern iPhone like the 13 series will disable your FaceID making your iPhone pretty much worthless. >Previously I got 2017 Macbook Air SSD upgraded using an SSD and an adapter that I ordered from Amazon Nice, but on the modern Macbooks, the SSD is soldered and not replaceable. There is no way to upgrade them or replace them if they break, so you just have to throw away the whole laptop. So yea, parent was right, Apple devices are the worst for reparability period since the ones you're talking about are not manufactured anymore therefore don't represent the current state of affairs and the ones that are manufactured today are built to not be repaired.
- mrtksn 5y agoHardware people are crafty, they find ways to transfer and combine working parts. The glass replacement(keeping the original LCD) I got for the 6S is not a procedure provided by Apple. Guess who doesn’t care? The repair shop that bought a machine from China for separating and re-assembly of the Glass and LCD. Screen replacement is 50$, glass replacement is 30$. iPhone 13 is very new, give it a few years and the hardware people will leverage the desire of not spending 1000$ on a new phone when the current one works fine except for that broken part.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago
- viktorcode 5y agoApparently, you didn't compare Apple devices with what the bulk of the market consists of. Also, implying that repairability is required for environmental sustainability is questionable at best. People in their vast majority tend to get rid of 5 years old phones and laptops.
- theshrike79 5y agoI'm still daily driving a 2015MBP. Got the battery replaced, free under warranty, a few years ago. Running lates MacOS without any issues The phones in my family are an iPhone 6S, iPhone 8 and an iPhone XS. All running the latest iOS. The 6S got a battery swap for 50€, others still going strong. Similar with tablets, we have three and the latest one is a 2017 iPad Pro. All running the latest iPadOS. Stuff doesn't need to be repairable and upgradable if it can outlast the competition by a factor of two while still staying on the latest official OS update. Can't do that with any Android device. A 6 year old PC laptop might still be relevant though.
- vmception 5y agoI'm not going to wait for the comparisons this time. Maxing this baby out right now.
- BitAstronaut 5y agoHonest question, what do you do where a $6,099 laptop is justifiable?
- eppsilon 5y agoI assume "vmception" requires a lot of power...
- eli 5y agoA few thousand dollars per year (presumably it will last more than one year) is really not much for the most important piece of equipment a knowledge worker will be using.
- speedgoose 5y agoIt's still a waste if you don't need it though. This money could be spent on much more useful things.
- ssijak 5y agoYeah this is the first time they actually compared to something with the possibly bigger performance.
- kergonath 5y agoFWIW, they are in general quite accurate with their ballpark performance figures. I expect the actual power/performance curves to be similar to that they showed. Which is interesting, because IIRC on the plots from Nuvia before they were bought their cores had a similar profile. It would be exciting if Qualcomm could have something good for a change.
- zaptrem 5y agoIf we can get an actual Windows on ARM ecosystem started things will get really exciting really quickly.
- viktorcode 5y agoThere still will be a question of porting the bulk of Windows software to Arm.
- kergonath 5y agoIf Apple can implement Rosetta 2, then surely Microsoft can do it as well (they’ve actually done it, just with terrible performances).
- xur17 5y ago> I'll be very curious to see those comparisons picked apart when people get their hands on these, and I think it's time for me to give Macbooks another chance after switching exclusively to linux for the past couple years. I really enjoy linux as a development environment, but this is going to be VERY difficult to compete with..
- frogblast 5y agoYou can always run Linux in a VM too
- xur17 5y agoThat's just not the same.
- modulusshift 5y agoAsahi Linux is making great strides in supporting M1 Macs, and they're upstreaming everything so your preferred distro could even support them. https://asahilinux.org/ https://asahilinux.org/
- mdasen 5y agoI think that for the first time, Apple has a real performance differentiator in its laptops. They want to highlight that. If Apple is buying Intel CPUs, there's no reason making direct performance comparisons to competitors. They're all building out of the same parts bin. They would want to talk about the form factor and the display - areas where they could often out-do competitors. Now there's actually something to talk about with the CPU/GPU/hardware-performance. I think Apple is also making the comparison to push something else: performance + lifestyle. For me, the implication is that I can buy an Intel laptop that's nicely portable, but a lot slower; I could also buy an Intel laptop that's just as fast, but requires two power adapters to satisfy its massive power drain and really doesn't work as a laptop at all. Or I can buy a MacBook Pro which has the power of the heavy, non-portable Intel laptops while sipping less power than the nicely portable ones. I don't have to make a trade-off between performance and portability. I think people picked apart the comparisons on the M1 and were pretty satisfied. 6-8 M1 performance cores will offer a nice performance boost over 4 M1 performance cores and we basically know how those cores benchmark already. I'd also note that there are efforts to get Linux on Apple Silicon.
- ngngngng 5y agoI was casually aware of Asahi before this announcement. Now I'm paying close attention to its development.
- snowwrestler 5y agoApple used to do these performance comparisons a lot when they were on the PowerPC architecture. Essentially they tried to show that PowerPC-based Macs were faster (or as fast as) Intel-based PCs for the stuff that users wanted to do, like web browsing, Photoshop, movie editing, etc. This kind of fell by the wayside after switching to Intel, for obvious reasons: the chips weren’t differentiators anymore.
- chasil 5y ago"Pentiums are harmless." https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkoYlpf3EA https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkoYlpf3EA
- dougmwne 5y agoFor the first time ever, they have something to brag about in their laptop specs. They are no longer just pulling parts off the shelf.