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Real keys and not touchbar, advertised as a feature in the presentation. What a leap of innovation. Though Apple makes the best hardware, they are arrogant as e

Real keys and not touchbar, advertised as a feature in the presentation. What a leap of innovation. Though Apple makes the best hardware, they are arrogant as ever.

yarcob 5y ago
The new "feature" is that the function keys are full height. Apple laptops had half height function keys for as long as I can remember.
- allenu 5y ago
  I didn't even notice that they were full height. There was something off aesthetically when I saw the pictures of the new keyboard and I figured it was just the missing touch bar. As a touch bar hater from the beginning, I'm super excited to be able to hit keys to play/pause/skip music, mute, and adjust brightness without having to look at the touch bar to do it.
1ibsq 5y ago
Sure, but did anyone had a serious use for them? Surely there are people, but I have the _feeling_ that the Touch Bar was a failure from the beginning. Also they brought back a magnetic snap cable for charging (the same my Air mid 2012 has that I'm typing on rn) and they added a HDMI and a SD card slot. It's all coming back ^^
msie 5y ago
Wow! Apple just can't win with you, can they? I'm glad they aren't arrogant enough to revisit some of their design decisions.
- rileymat2 5y ago
  I suspect what the OP is reacting to is not revisiting a design decision but the presentation of it.
  - miohtama 5y ago
    Other companies say "We listened to your feedback and delivered."
Toutouxc 5y ago
How exactly would you expect them to convey that information without sounding arrogant? We all know about the TouchBar. They know it was a mistake, we know it, so why mention it in what's essentially a sales pitch?
eli 5y ago
It's more amusing than anything. I'll take the correct product decisions over pitch-perfect PR any day.
screye 5y ago
So many of the 'features' are merely the return of a few features kept hostage for too long. Ports, a half decent webcam, scissor switches & mag-safe are exactly the 'features' that took zero effort from Apple's side to implement. I like that this seems like the first real 'pro' device Apple has produced since the 2015 Mac, but the reason it took as long has entirely to do with Hubris rather than technical constraints. The M1 series of processors are IMO the only new standout innovation in these current-gen devices. That being said, it is seriously impressive innovation and the other laptop manufacturers appear to be even more complacent. (Looking at Dell and Lenovo making the same device for 10 years with only the smallest of changes each time) I like what Microsoft is trying to do with their devices, but they don't seem to be too keen on competing against their 3rd party customers directly. So you get laptops with weird form factors or ones that try to go for value-for-money instead of top class performance.

Real keys and not touchbar, advertised as a feature in the presentation. What a leap of innovation. Though Apple makes the best hardware, they are arrogant as ever.

yarcob 5y ago

The new "feature" is that the function keys are full height. Apple laptops had half height function keys for as long as I can remember.

allenu 5y ago
I didn't even notice that they were full height. There was something off aesthetically when I saw the pictures of the new keyboard and I figured it was just the missing touch bar. As a touch bar hater from the beginning, I'm super excited to be able to hit keys to play/pause/skip music, mute, and adjust brightness without having to look at the touch bar to do it.

1ibsq 5y ago

Sure, but did anyone had a serious use for them? Surely there are people, but I have the _feeling_ that the Touch Bar was a failure from the beginning. Also they brought back a magnetic snap cable for charging (the same my Air mid 2012 has that I'm typing on rn) and they added a HDMI and a SD card slot. It's all coming back ^^

msie 5y ago

Wow! Apple just can't win with you, can they? I'm glad they aren't arrogant enough to revisit some of their design decisions.

rileymat2 5y ago
I suspect what the OP is reacting to is not revisiting a design decision but the presentation of it.
- miohtama 5y ago
  Other companies say "We listened to your feedback and delivered."

Toutouxc 5y ago

How exactly would you expect them to convey that information without sounding arrogant? We all know about the TouchBar. They know it was a mistake, we know it, so why mention it in what's essentially a sales pitch?

eli 5y ago

It's more amusing than anything. I'll take the correct product decisions over pitch-perfect PR any day.

screye 5y ago

So many of the 'features' are merely the return of a few features kept hostage for too long. Ports, a half decent webcam, scissor switches & mag-safe are exactly the 'features' that took zero effort from Apple's side to implement. I like that this seems like the first real 'pro' device Apple has produced since the 2015 Mac, but the reason it took as long has entirely to do with Hubris rather than technical constraints. The M1 series of processors are IMO the only new standout innovation in these current-gen devices. That being said, it is seriously impressive innovation and the other laptop manufacturers appear to be even more complacent. (Looking at Dell and Lenovo making the same device for 10 years with only the smallest of changes each time) I like what Microsoft is trying to do with their devices, but they don't seem to be too keen on competing against their 3rd party customers directly. So you get laptops with weird form factors or ones that try to go for value-for-money instead of top class performance.