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These look positively insane. 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could eve
by d3nj4l 5y ago
These look positively insane. 120Hz HDR displays. Can be specced with up to 64 GB of RAM and a GPU that (apparently) matches a 3070. All the ports you could ever want and magsafe. I can't wait to get my hands on one.
The notch doesn't bother me because it's literally more room on the screen. Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests that they may be adding Face ID in a future iteration.
- ant6n 5y agoYes, it looks _really_ nice. Specced with the crazy graphics, and 64G ram and 2TB storage, it costs 4000$. Ouch! Is the Max CPU still fanless? (I really wish there was a matte screen option at the price point, my old macbook pro was a very expensive mirror and it puts a lot of strain on the eyes to try to concentrate on whats on screen, rather than behind it)
- agloeregrets 5y agoNone of it is fanless on these models. This is more of workstation Core i9 replacement.
- Toutouxc 5y agoOnly the Air is fanless, every other M1 * Mac has fans.
- ofou 5y agoI think is about the same if compared with a windows-based with the same specs (GeForce RTX 3070 Mobile) and so on.
- dagw 5y agoit costs 4000$. Ouch! A Windows laptop from HP or Lenovo with similar specs/performance won't be cheaper.
- SamuelAdams 5y agoCan confirm. Currently using a P52 with 64 go ram and an Xeon processor, and a 4K screen. Probably cost my company 5-7k after all the enterprise support fees and such. Would much rather have a Mac, the thing is just way smaller and lighter.
- throwaway675309 5y agoOh c'mon... I'm not going to argue that battery/build quality is better on the apple, but that is some serious FUD. Literally just picked up an asus zephyrs g15 15.6" with 2560 x 1440QHD 165 hz refresh rate, AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS, 16GB Memory, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 and 1 Tb ssd for $1850 at Best Buy, then picked up 2x16gb DDR4 3200 MHz for $150 off Amazon to upgrade to 32gb. Weight is a little over 4 lbs. (4.1lbs) Total cost: $2000
- fcurts 5y agoYou are comparing a high-end MacBook to a mid-range Asus. Build quality costs money.
- sofixa 5y agoAs someone who owns an Asus and a work-provided Dell XPS, and has extensively used a 2016 MBP... Yeah, no. Build quality differences are minimal, and at least on the Asus and to an extent the Dell not everything is glued/soldered on so it's maintainable. And it wasn't Dell or Asus who shipped faulty keyboards they refused to replace.
- fcurts 5y agoI own both a MBP (2019) and an Asus Zephyrus G14 (2020). While the latter is good value for the money (I use it for gaming), chassis, screen, sound, touchpad, fingerprint sensor, and reliability are much inferior. If you want to compare the new MBP to PC laptops, at least compare apples to apples (ROG Strix, Legion 7, etc.). Otherwise you're just arguing that a high-end laptop isn't worth the money to you, which is fine but has nothing to do with Mac vs. PC.
- bartvk 5y agoTip, search online for "custom screen protector". Some companies will cut a screen protector to custom size. Just measure length and width of the screen. For my 2019 16" MBP, I ordered a matte one and it's glorious ever since. For Dutch people: https://www.smartfolie.com/ https://www.smartfolie.com/
- kfprt 5y agoI believe the 3070 uses a different die from the mobile 3070. The mobile and discrete parts have completely diverged so comparisons are meaningless. Laptop GPU performance is entirely a question of power and cooling.
- sarsway 5y agoIn their charts, they showed it's about even (in performance, with much lower power consumption) with a laptop using a RTX 3080 (Mobile), which performs about as well as an RTX 3060-Ti / 3070 (Desktop). So that's pretty wild. More and more games getting playable on macOS too through native ports or emulation, so in theory you wouldn't need a gaming PC anymore. These numbers are for the M1 MAX though, which is a bit more expensive.
- MetricExpansion 5y agoNot sure where you’re getting that from? This [1] appears to be the machine they compared with (assuming the part number actually refers to a unique spec), which only has a 3050 Ti? [1] https://psrefstuff.lenovo.com/Detail/Legion/Lenovo_Legion_5_15ACH6?M=82JW0012US https://psrefstuff.lenovo.com/Detail/Legion/Lenovo_Legion_5_... EDIT: Nevermind, they mention other laptops in the other slides, some of which do have a 3080.
- sarsway 5y agoIt's here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exM1uajp--A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exM1uajp--A @23:15 the high end laptop being a MSI GE76 Raider 11UH-053
- MetricExpansion 5y agoFascinating. I have pulled the trigger on an M1 Max to replace my i9 MBP, and wasn’t hopeful for the GPU. But now I am VERY curious how well it will do at gaming using CrossOver Mac. I’d been eyeing a getting a 3080 laptop as a secondary for being able to do mobile gaming, but an M1 Max + CrossOver Mac setup might scratch that itch with only a single laptop. A fun experiment for next Tuesday.
- vbezhenar 5y ago> All the ports you could ever want Add 4xUSB-A and Ethernet please.
- jonny_eh 5y agoCan the notch be "hidden" with a black toolbar?
- d3nj4l 5y agoProbably - some of the marketing shots they showed in the event showed it being hidden with a black bar, but I couldn't find any that showed the toolbar itself being below the notch. At any rate, if it doesn't exist at launch, someone will make an app for it.
- wayneftw 5y agoAnd if Apple doesn't provide that app, it will break after every update.
- arm 5y agoYep, it can be 'hidden' with the menu bar. They specifically mentioned and showed it in the keynote.
- peterb 5y agoYes. Tim said the notch looks great in dark mode.
- muterad_murilax 5y agoAlso: Can the mouse pointer be "hidden" (moved) under the notch?
- schleck8 5y ago>that (apparently) matches a 3070 I don't want to know the thermals on the laptop then. There is a reason for the 3070 being available with a minimum of 2 large fans and liquid cooling existing at all. How do you want to cool the same performance in a thin laptop? With passive airflow? For reference, this is what a laptop with the mobile (!) version of a 3070 looks like: https://gzhls.at/i/89/84/2618984-n1.jpg https://gzhls.at/i/89/84/2618984-n1.jpg It's also 1199 euros, just saying.
- jzymbaluk 5y agoI noticed the feet on this laptop seem a lot more prominent than previous iterations, and I'm sure the reason is to allow better airflow
- nicoburns 5y agoThat would make a lot of sense. I've noticed that my 2015 MBP deals with heat a lot better if it's raised up off the surface it's sitting on.
- JohnBooty 5y agoThey do seem more prominent. It's not clear to me that's a cooling win, though? Unless there are actually some kind of vents on the bottom?
- arecurrence 5y ago3070 is Samsung 8nm vs what I believe they said was TSMC 5nm here? Being an all new architecture perhaps it also has more design thermal improvements.
- lowbloodsugar 5y agoThe thermals: https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-event/images/Screen%20Shot%202021-10-18%20at%2012.32.25%20PM.jpg https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-even...
- schleck8 5y ago
- t-writescode 5y agoWhere did you see the "matches the 3070" thing? When I was (admittedly) skimming the two articles, the performance metrics were all about "performance per watt" which ... doesn't mean anything for actual performance in a "how long will this scene take to render?" sort of meaning.
- Version467 5y agoThey made a direct comparison to "the fastest laptop we could find". I think there was fine print that had the exact laptop they compared it to, but I noticed it too late to read. But presumably this means at least 3070 performance.
- trvr 5y agoThis is the laptop they compared: https://us-store.msi.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=801 https://us-store.msi.com/index.php?route=product/product&pro...
- andy_ppp 5y agoWow, this is going to hopefully support VR experiences where you carry the laptop on your back or chest…
- kolinko 5y agoNo need for that with the new quest
- yellowapple 5y agoYeah, but then you'd have to settle for a Quest.
- balls187 5y agoThe Quest 2 is a major upgrade.
- lowbloodsugar 5y agoThe Pro is faster than a laptop 3050Ti [1]. The Max is slightly slower than a laptop 3080 (looks like 8%). [2] Relative performance is somewhat meaningless, and of course also depends on what features where being used. However, my M1 Air compared extremely favorably against similarly priced PC offerings, and I expect my 16" M1 Max will compare favorably with a 3070. [1] https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-event/images/Screen%20Shot%202021-10-18%20at%2012.22.21%20PM.jpg https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-even... [2] https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-event/images/Screen%20Shot%202021-10-18%20at%2012.23.12%20PM.jpg https://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-18-unleashed-even...
- throwawaysea 5y agoWe don’t know what those tests are really measuring. Is it a game? Or some video production workflow? And what about features like ray tracing? Does the M1 Max support all the same technologies? Apple’s benchmarks seem purposely obfuscated.
- mmis1000 5y agoApple probably cares about thing like adobe softwares more. As it is their main consumer uses.
- ehsankia 5y agoNote that it starts at $2500, and that's probably with the lowest cpu and 16gb of ram. Probably gonna be $5K+ when specced to what you mention above.
- busymom0 5y agoYep. Starts at $2500 CAD before the extra 13% tax :( and that's not even the spec I would want
- DrammBA 5y agoThe M1 max with 64GB ram is $3,800, and the lowest M1 pro with 16GB ram is $2,000.
- throwaway675309 5y agoUnited States order for 16-inch 1tb ssd 64gb ram shows $3900. Brutal.
- SpelingBeeChamp 5y agoI just paid $7,063.33. It should arrive in two months lol.
- balls187 5y agoWhat specs get it to $7k?
- stouset 5y ago64GB memory, 8TB SSD puts you at $6k, plus $500 in taxes. Add on 3 years of AppleCare coverage for $399 and you're basically there.
- balls187 5y agoGotcha, I completely glossed over the SSD options. Since I replace my machine frequently enough for work, 32gb and 1TB is plenty for me for the work I do.
- soheil 5y agoWell yeah putting the camera below the screen seems borderline insane, but the notch definitely takes away beauty from Apple laptops known for their incredible sense of design.
- Gigachad 5y agoPersonally I think the 2020 design looks bad because the top black bezel is thicker than the sides. While things like the ipad have it uniform around the whole display.
- xyst 5y agoPersonally, the investments in the camera and display are wasted for me. I run my mbps in “clam shell mode” and use external displays and cameras. The 64G of ram is huge though. It only took them half a decade to figure it out.
- Ambroos 5y ago64GB RAM was available on the 2019 Intel 16" MBPs (at least). This comment was written from one of those with 64GB RAM.
- 00deadbeef 5y agoYou should wait for the "Mac Mini Pro" which will have M1 Pro and Max options
- walteweiss 5y agoFor me that’s not an option, because I use my MacBook with an external display all the time, but I also use it as a laptop from time to time. Mac mini is not a solution for me.
- JohnBooty 5y agoYeah, I'm kind of in that inconvenient spot as well. I use my laptop docked 99.99% of the time. That other 0.01% of the time is the killer.
- jacurtis 5y agoI am a fellow full-time clamshell MBP user.
- cactus2093 5y ago> All the ports you could ever want I agree with everything else you said and I think overall these machines will be awesome. I would disagree with you on the ports though, I think this is kind of a miss for Apple. They caved into some of the loudest complaints from several years ago which were already coming from a loud minority and that minority is now smaller than ever. And if they were set on changing the ports these certainly aren't all that you could ever want. A few USB-A ports as well as keeping at least the 4 USB-C ports from last year (instead of reducing to 3) would have been more useful for more people than the HDMI and especially the SD ports are. (HDMI used to be useful for plugging into a projector for presentations, that use-case is now nearly non-existent now that all meetings tend to happen over zoom, webex, teams, hangouts, etc. even when in-person. HDMI used to be useful for monitors but increasingly displayport over usb-c is supported by everything except the lowest end monitors. SD used to be important for stills and video footage, but increasingly cameras use CFExpress, CFast, output over hdmi to an atmos-style recorder, or even micro-SD for small GoPro style cameras, all of which will still need dongles. Devices like Raspberry Pis require micro SD not standard SD). They also could have added the nifty ethernet-over-magsafe via the powerbrick that the iMac has and they didn't do that. Edit: One additional thought - I'm seeing from the comments some reasonable situations where HDMI still comes in handy - cheap monitors, plugging into a tv to watch something, and I guess there are still lots of people physically plugging in at work for presentations. Fair enough, but in that case it's weird that this is a "Pro" feature. These are all very non-pro usecases and you'll still need dongles around for anybody with a non-pro machine (like a macbook air).
- atourgates 5y agoFor all the times Apple seems to be willing to "stick to its guns" and ignore consumer complaining, this seems like a weird time to give in. They basically made a line-in-the-sand on USB-C adoption, and it pretty much worked. I'd argue that an HDMI and SD card readers are less useful, and certainly far less versatile than additional USB-C ports. For all the dongle jokes of a few years ago, I don't really see a reason to go back to less versatile ports in laptops.
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- shrimpx 5y agoI have a bunch of questions about the notch: - When you go "fullscreen", does the fullscreen window stop at the bottom of the notch, or like can you see the notch in maximized Netflix videos? In the keynote I thought I saw a maximized video whose height stopped just under the notch. - So is the extra notch space used only for the menubar? What happens when you auto-hide the menubar (which I do)? Is that functionality disabled on this hardware?
- iSnow 5y agoThe "fullscreen" screen area is the 16:10 that results from subtracting the notch height. The area left and right of the notch is strictly for the menu bar and will be blanked out on video or full-screen apps. I guess that if you auto-hide the menu bar, a black strip will mask the area.
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- shbooms 5y ago> Laptops with the camera below the screen tend to have an uncomfortable angle that look sup your nose, and the design suggests that they may be adding Face ID in a future iteration. I agree it's probably designed with a future FaceID implementation in mind but if this isn't the case, Dell have managed to move their camera back up above the screen on the latest XPS's. In my opinion, this is the best looking option currently: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81FV+91am5L._AC_SL1500_.jpg https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81FV+91am5L._AC_SL1500_....
- rStar 5y agonotch bothers me a lot. i was ready to buy, and i hope all you guys enjoy, but i’ll be sitting the notch out. it was one thing on a phone. this is just dumb.
- can16358p 5y agoIt's just an addition, it doesn't remove any real estate from existing screen. Have a dark/black background/strip around on top and it should solve the issue. Sure not ideal, but solvable.
- Nevermark 5y agoYou are getting more screen, not less. Nothing dumb about that. I can see someone having an aesthetic issue with it, as a distraction perhaps. But having a fat bezel at the top, as all other bezels shrink toward zero, is also aesthetically non-optimal.