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The P14 has reasonable ram configurations from what I can tell. Its insane to think that 16G max on a 16 thread processor is enough for any serious workloads th
by StillBored 5y ago
The P14 has reasonable ram configurations from what I can tell. Its insane to think that 16G max on a 16 thread processor is enough for any serious workloads that scale with core count (aka a lot of them) as is provided with the T14. But I still don't get why lenovo still provides _soldered_ ram at all on the T/P series machines, I've been repeatedly gimped by that with my work provided machines (besides the inability to match timings when the socket has 2x the capacity installed/etc).
But what I really want to know is where the full bios manual is, so that I can see if its possible to enable S3 standby. My use case for a laptop generally involves putting it in my bag overnight/etc and I expect the battery to basically be where I left it over the weekend/etc. I've yet to have a "modern standby" machine that can pull that off without hibernating the machine. Frequently even with hibernation it will wake repeatedly and drain the battery anyway. Toss in the fact that i've not had good luck with AMD machines power savings and that makes it doubly important that S3 works.
The lack of a pre-installed linux option doesn't provide much confidence.
Acer and some of the smaller vendors seem to be the only ones providing a full suite of BIOS options on their machines (they also have two dimm slots). The problem is that their machines are plasticy and have crummy form factors.
- basilgohar 5y agoThis is why the high resolution screen options were so important. The extra features are almost always available on the smaller OEMs, such a Asus, Acer, MSI, etc., but rarely from the tier-1 vendors (if that is the appropriate term). Hopefully Lenovo doing this will encourage all the rest of the vendors to start making more sensible design changes as well. That's also the main motivation for me to call this out in such a detailed article – people should have all the choices available to them and not have them artificially directed to "Intel -> quality, AMD -> value/compromise".
- Brave-Steak 5y agoI've given up. I disable hibernation and I shutdown my laptop whenever I used to put it to sleep. It's bizarre that standby/hibernation no longer works reliably.
- dataflow 5y ago> I still don't get why lenovo still provides _soldered_ ram at all on the T/P series machines Cynical take: so you buy it, then realize it's soldered, then buy another computer? > But what I really want to know is where the full bios manual is, so that I can see if its possible to enable S3 standby. Some Lenovo laptops that come with Windows have a "Sleep State" option that you can switch from "Windows 10" to "Linux", which I think is what disables Modern Standby? I've seen C3 be enabled by one of the options on a recent Lenovo, I think it was probably that setting.
- basilgohar 5y agoThat's why I highlighted this boneheaded move by Lenovo prominently in the article and also blasted them for it.
- ChuckNorris89 5y ago>Cynical take: so you buy it, then realize it's soldered, then buy another computer? Bingo! That's why they're all getting a big middle finger from me, and I'm gonna walk the walk and take my money to Framework as all the others try to push you to their premium-buisness-ripoff lines of machines if you want a laptop with more than 16 gigs of RAM. FFS, just because I need 32 or 64 gigs of RAM doesn't mean I want a $4000 workstation enterprise machine with all the bells and whistles I will never use. Just give me your regular $1000 machine and bill me for the difference to 32/64 gigs.
- mnl 5y agoYou can look up such details before buying in https://psref.lenovo.com https://psref.lenovo.com. Then usually the hardware maintenance manual is available in support, that's the main reason why I end up getting their laptops, although their obnoxious wireless card whitelists (don't trust "compatible" FRUs BTW) make me always look elsewhere in the first place.
- nix0n 5y agoIf you don't care about "workstation" branding, or out-of-the-box Linux compatibility, you can get a high-RAM laptop by looking at gaming laptops.
- akvadrako 5y agoI have the 2019 X1 Carbon which has BIOS options for S3 Suspend and S0ix Modern Standby. In my tests both use the same amount of power when sleeping.
- mfkp 5y agoIt appears that the P14s AMD does support S3. Comment from @chx on a different thread I found last week: You can check which ThinkPad BIOS has the option at their BIOS emulation site: https://download.lenovo.com/bsco/index.html https://download.lenovo.com/bsco/index.html For mine it's under Config // Power // Sleep State. Windows 10 means useless Modern Standby, Linux means S3. https://i.imgur.com/Y5CchL9.png https://i.imgur.com/Y5CchL9.png
- marcelnita 5y agoYou must be referring to the T14s with the 16 GB RAM limitation. The T14 has 8/16GB soldered and one free slot where you can install another 16GB.
- basilgohar 5y agoNot sure if you mean the Gen 1 or Gen 2 T14s, but as I pointed out in the article, both the T14s Gen 2 and P14s Gen 2 can be configured with up to 48GB of RAM, albeit with the lopsided arrangement of 16GB being soldered on while the remaining 32GB are in the upgradable slot as a regular SODIMM. I really feel an arrangement like this should be outlawed, it really makes little to sense to not have both be regular, upgradable SODIMMs like almost every other normal laptop.
- webmobdev 5y agoUnfortunately, like the rest of these Thinkpads, some or all of the RAM is soldered. Meh ... Better to wait for an AMD Framework laptop ...
- basilgohar 5y agoThat would be amazing!