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I have no idea why you are thinking I want to disallow anything. I merely point out that most of the people is not proactive enough to form cooperative. To add

I have no idea why you are thinking I want to disallow anything. I merely point out that most of the people is not proactive enough to form cooperative. To add some background I'm running sizable division in a company hiring about 100 people. We're very flat and open to suggestions no matter what is your title. Some people actually use that opportunity, but it's maybe a half. And we're actually targeting for that when hiring! More than that - over the years we had some people left us, because they wanted narrower responsibility, without bothering them with bigger picture. As for the discussion about "true Marxism" - sorry. Hard pass.

hnbad 5y ago
> I have no idea why you are thinking I want to disallow anything. Because if we wanted our governments to work like businesses, we'd have to ban elections. Businesses deciding to offer some leeway towards employees in their decision making process doesn't turn them into democracies the same way as a dictatorship doing opinion polls wouldn't be a democracy. > As for the discussion about "true Marxism" - sorry. Hard pass. Nobody said anything about "true Marxism". Marx neither invented the ideas of socialism, nor do I care for his opinion on it in particular. If anything my point is that the Soviets (and their related states) tried to sell their actions as "real socialism" but that this is like calling America's actions "real capitalism" despite other forms like social market economies (e.g. half of Europe) existing. I don't care if anarchism is any truer of a Scotsman than Bolshevism, I only care that anarchism is more communal and less oppressive.
- dzikimarian 5y ago
  >Because if we wanted our governments to work like businesses, we'd have to ban elections. Businesses deciding to offer some leeway towards employees in their decision making process doesn't turn them into democracies the same way as a dictatorship doing opinion polls wouldn't be a democracy. This statement has no connection to my comments. I am not expressing any opinion how I want business or government to operate. I'm just sharing my observations, about why people do not form cooperatives.

hnbad 5y ago

> I have no idea why you are thinking I want to disallow anything. Because if we wanted our governments to work like businesses, we'd have to ban elections. Businesses deciding to offer some leeway towards employees in their decision making process doesn't turn them into democracies the same way as a dictatorship doing opinion polls wouldn't be a democracy. > As for the discussion about "true Marxism" - sorry. Hard pass. Nobody said anything about "true Marxism". Marx neither invented the ideas of socialism, nor do I care for his opinion on it in particular. If anything my point is that the Soviets (and their related states) tried to sell their actions as "real socialism" but that this is like calling America's actions "real capitalism" despite other forms like social market economies (e.g. half of Europe) existing. I don't care if anarchism is any truer of a Scotsman than Bolshevism, I only care that anarchism is more communal and less oppressive.

dzikimarian 5y ago
>Because if we wanted our governments to work like businesses, we'd have to ban elections. Businesses deciding to offer some leeway towards employees in their decision making process doesn't turn them into democracies the same way as a dictatorship doing opinion polls wouldn't be a democracy. This statement has no connection to my comments. I am not expressing any opinion how I want business or government to operate. I'm just sharing my observations, about why people do not form cooperatives.