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I didn't see that in this post at all. If anything, Apple was way behind at the start on portables, and it even mentions that the famous "yellow envelope" mome

by wffurr 5y ago

I didn't see that in this post at all. If anything, Apple was way behind at the start on portables, and it even mentions that the famous "yellow envelope" moment was pure marketing ad there were already Sony laptops that could do the same trick. You do have to somehow acknowledge and explain the dominance that Apple portables have in the popular imagination though, and that's what this does.

dmitriid 5y ago
> that the famous "yellow envelope" moment was pure marketing ad there were already Sony laptops that could do the same trick. I can't remember any laptop doing the same trick at the time. Perhaps some Vaio models could? The trick with the envelope was the long-needed nail in the coffin of netbooks: it was a fully-functional laptop with none of the compromises that netbooks at the time had.
- wffurr 5y ago
  "It didn’t matter that there were many PCs smaller/ lighter (including from SONY!) and many that fit in a yellow envelope." https://mobile.twitter.com/stevesi/status/1449443653349376010 https://mobile.twitter.com/stevesi/status/144944365334937601...
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  - Joeri 5y ago
    For example, the Sony Vaio TZ from 2007: http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/sony-vaio-tz-review-2/ http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/sony-vaio-tz-re... The air was the thinnest laptop at the time of its reveal though.
    - lmilcin 5y ago
      By entire 0.8mm. Not exactly Earth shattering.
kergonath 5y ago
> If anything, Apple was way behind at the start on portables, and it even mentions that the famous "yellow envelope" moment was pure marketing ad there were already Sony laptops that could do the same trick. That wasn’t the start at all, Apple had been making laptops for 20 years at that time. Apple and Sony had been leapfrogging each other ever since the very first PowerBook (built by Sony). The titanium PowerBooks and iBooks (and to a lesser extent the Wall Street and Bronze G3s) were great devices in different ways, certainly not worse than their Vaio competitors. What Sony had and Apple had not was a broad range of tons of devices, each one with its own special gimmick. And a lot of terrible machines in the dark years between ~1991–1998.
- wffurr 5y ago
  I didn't say that was the start? Did you read the thread or what I was responding to?
reaperducer 5y ago
the famous "yellow envelope" moment Manilla. Not yellow. "The Manila component of the name originates from Manila hemp, locally known as abacá, the main material for Manila folders, alongside the Manila envelope and Manila paper." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_folder https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_folder

by wffurr 5y ago

dmitriid 5y ago

> that the famous "yellow envelope" moment was pure marketing ad there were already Sony laptops that could do the same trick. I can't remember any laptop doing the same trick at the time. Perhaps some Vaio models could? The trick with the envelope was the long-needed nail in the coffin of netbooks: it was a fully-functional laptop with none of the compromises that netbooks at the time had.

wffurr 5y ago
"It didn’t matter that there were many PCs smaller/ lighter (including from SONY!) and many that fit in a yellow envelope." https://mobile.twitter.com/stevesi/status/1449443653349376010 https://mobile.twitter.com/stevesi/status/144944365334937601...
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- Joeri 5y ago
  For example, the Sony Vaio TZ from 2007: http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/sony-vaio-tz-review-2/ http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/sony-vaio-tz-re... The air was the thinnest laptop at the time of its reveal though.
  - lmilcin 5y ago
    By entire 0.8mm. Not exactly Earth shattering.

kergonath 5y ago

> If anything, Apple was way behind at the start on portables, and it even mentions that the famous "yellow envelope" moment was pure marketing ad there were already Sony laptops that could do the same trick. That wasn’t the start at all, Apple had been making laptops for 20 years at that time. Apple and Sony had been leapfrogging each other ever since the very first PowerBook (built by Sony). The titanium PowerBooks and iBooks (and to a lesser extent the Wall Street and Bronze G3s) were great devices in different ways, certainly not worse than their Vaio competitors. What Sony had and Apple had not was a broad range of tons of devices, each one with its own special gimmick. And a lot of terrible machines in the dark years between ~1991–1998.

wffurr 5y ago
I didn't say that was the start? Did you read the thread or what I was responding to?

reaperducer 5y ago

the famous "yellow envelope" moment Manilla. Not yellow. "The Manila component of the name originates from Manila hemp, locally known as abacá, the main material for Manila folders, alongside the Manila envelope and Manila paper." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_folder https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_folder