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so what is the alternative? Assuming they need some sort of proof of their claim to seek refugee status, they have to be held somewhere, and presumably they are

so what is the alternative? Assuming they need some sort of proof of their claim to seek refugee status, they have to be held somewhere, and presumably they are held because there is a long queue of people waiting for hearing who came before them. By intentionally conflating the detention camp with a concentration camp, you are seeking parallels with things such as forced detention and murder akin to what Nazis did. > under harsh conditions Define harsh conditions. This was the same tactic used by US media during Trump presidency when the camps where actually running for years under the same conditions with billions of dollars of funding. And somehow you don’t hear about these things anymore even though the same camps practically exist under the same conditions. Not to say many refugees/economic migrants essentially use cartels and risk their lives, being in detention camps is least of their worry and they know they will be in detention camps.

ceejayoz 5y ago
> By intentionally conflating the detention camp with a concentration camp, you are seeking parallels with things such as forced detention and murder akin to what Nazis did. This is incorrectly conflating concentration/internment camps with death/extermination camps. Guantanamo Bay is a concentration camp, as were the Japanese-American internment camps. Auschwitz was a death camp. The Nazis had both kinds.
mmarq 5y ago
> so what is the alternative? The alternative would be to detain them respecting their human rights and eventually deporting them, if they don’t have a right to stay. > By intentionally conflating the detention camp with a concentration camp You must be conflating concentration, labor and extermination camps in Nazi Germany. Concentration camps are a much older idea. Besides, I used the dictionary definition of “concentration camp”. I understand “I want to put children in concentration camps” may sound bad in polite company. For this reason, and many others, I’d prefer to not do that. > Define harsh conditions. Hopefully I don’t have to explain why been detained on an abandoned oil rig in the middle of the North Sea would be harsh. > This was the same tactic used by US media during Trump presidency when the camps where actually running for years under the same conditions with billions of dollars of funding. I’m not much interested in discussing what the American press is or is not saying about whatever Trump or his predecessors did or did not do. I was just listing a bunch of blatantly stupid ideas Patel proposed in the past 2-3 years.

ceejayoz 5y ago

> By intentionally conflating the detention camp with a concentration camp, you are seeking parallels with things such as forced detention and murder akin to what Nazis did. This is incorrectly conflating concentration/internment camps with death/extermination camps. Guantanamo Bay is a concentration camp, as were the Japanese-American internment camps. Auschwitz was a death camp. The Nazis had both kinds.

mmarq 5y ago

> so what is the alternative? The alternative would be to detain them respecting their human rights and eventually deporting them, if they don’t have a right to stay. > By intentionally conflating the detention camp with a concentration camp You must be conflating concentration, labor and extermination camps in Nazi Germany. Concentration camps are a much older idea. Besides, I used the dictionary definition of “concentration camp”. I understand “I want to put children in concentration camps” may sound bad in polite company. For this reason, and many others, I’d prefer to not do that. > Define harsh conditions. Hopefully I don’t have to explain why been detained on an abandoned oil rig in the middle of the North Sea would be harsh. > This was the same tactic used by US media during Trump presidency when the camps where actually running for years under the same conditions with billions of dollars of funding. I’m not much interested in discussing what the American press is or is not saying about whatever Trump or his predecessors did or did not do. I was just listing a bunch of blatantly stupid ideas Patel proposed in the past 2-3 years.