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Assuming all the technical stuff is done, I wonder is it sad to live in "fantasy". Space is so massive take forever to get anywhere so can go "inwards" with vir

Assuming all the technical stuff is done, I wonder is it sad to live in "fantasy". Space is so massive take forever to get anywhere so can go "inwards" with virtual worlds. Does "being real" matter. Personal interest/values.

rnd0 5y ago
Depends on what you consider real? I've read in the past that to some extent what someone experiences in virtual can imprint on the mind in a way that it's almost indistinquishable from reality. Memory is very malleable, so in a sense it seems like it's a it's a faint distinction?
- jcun4128 5y ago
  Brain vat, cliche thoughts. I wonder if people weren't burdened with a daily job/9-5 schedule, would they go insane. I'm just rambling. There are personal goals still.
- TeMPOraL 5y ago
  I'm starting to feel that the question of meaning in "being real" vs. "being virtual" is mostly about permanence and effort to modify. Like, imagine if Eve Online got frozen in its current incarnation, became magically impervious to any hacking, and its servers physically shipped out to a magically impenetrable vault. Everything that happens in game now becomes permanent[0], there's no longer the underlying threat of the company rebooting or shutting down the game. That becomes much more real in my eyes. Of course, the ultimate determinant is, the real world is the one you can die in. But if we factor out death, the only thing that remains special about our reality is that no human controls it, it cannot be arbitrarily changed without putting extreme effort in terms of energy and coordination. -- [0] - At least on the scale of human lifetime.
cblconfederate 5y ago
It's definitely an escape medium for a lot of people which also makes it a lot more interesting and quirky than the bland social hate networks of today
- jcun4128 5y ago
  Yeah and I'm not talking down at it. I just wonder, like meaning of life sort of thing which is subjective. I still play videogames and I think VR Chat for example is pretty cool. Probably watching too much scifi (WestWorld) I think of this virtual world/marble that's buried under dirt and the Earth itself is destroyed/far into future, humanity is digitized (concept of "real"), what's wrong with that.

rnd0 5y ago

Depends on what you consider real? I've read in the past that to some extent what someone experiences in virtual can imprint on the mind in a way that it's almost indistinquishable from reality. Memory is very malleable, so in a sense it seems like it's a it's a faint distinction?

jcun4128 5y ago
Brain vat, cliche thoughts. I wonder if people weren't burdened with a daily job/9-5 schedule, would they go insane. I'm just rambling. There are personal goals still.
TeMPOraL 5y ago
I'm starting to feel that the question of meaning in "being real" vs. "being virtual" is mostly about permanence and effort to modify. Like, imagine if Eve Online got frozen in its current incarnation, became magically impervious to any hacking, and its servers physically shipped out to a magically impenetrable vault. Everything that happens in game now becomes permanent[0], there's no longer the underlying threat of the company rebooting or shutting down the game. That becomes much more real in my eyes. Of course, the ultimate determinant is, the real world is the one you can die in. But if we factor out death, the only thing that remains special about our reality is that no human controls it, it cannot be arbitrarily changed without putting extreme effort in terms of energy and coordination. -- [0] - At least on the scale of human lifetime.

cblconfederate 5y ago

It's definitely an escape medium for a lot of people which also makes it a lot more interesting and quirky than the bland social hate networks of today

jcun4128 5y ago
Yeah and I'm not talking down at it. I just wonder, like meaning of life sort of thing which is subjective. I still play videogames and I think VR Chat for example is pretty cool. Probably watching too much scifi (WestWorld) I think of this virtual world/marble that's buried under dirt and the Earth itself is destroyed/far into future, humanity is digitized (concept of "real"), what's wrong with that.