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If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. I feel like the social justice brigade needs to seriously lig

If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. I feel like the social justice brigade needs to seriously lighten up - maybe don't watch content that sets you off so easily? Just like everyone has had to do since.. the invention of television and other broadcast media?

dragonwriter 5y ago
> If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. That's exactly the threat here, but with an opportunity for the company to alter its decision making if it wants the labor.
- arthurcolle 5y ago
  Well I certainly hope Netflix doesn't capitulate - maybe they can play up the controversy in the most sigma fashion possible and sign Dave Chappelle for another 10 specials to "respond" to the controversy.
  - hhmc 5y ago
    Did you seriously unironically advocate for being a 'sigma male'?
    - arthurcolle 5y ago
      It was meant as a joke, but those videos are pretty hilarious.
      - analognoise 5y ago
        If incidents like this have taught us anything, nobody can take a joke anymore. Everyone is like a big exposed nerve, and also somehow an adult.
- version_five 5y ago
  What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? This reminds me more of the student protests we used to see, where they wanted to walk out of classes or miss exams but also wanted special treatment so they didn't fail the class. I've got no problem with not working at a place whose values you dont agree with, but I see this kind of action (and similar things at other tech companies) more as expecting your employer to pay you to undermine them. I could be wrong.
  - arthurcolle 5y ago
    > What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? That would be a pretty awesome outcome - Netflix shouldn't have to change their programming (which is generally largely uncontroversial for the most part - I mean when is the last time they truly pushed the envelope? Maybe the OATS STUDIOS and original Black Mirror content?) to satisfy the permanently dissatisfied members of these new-age social movements that attempt to force people to say things that they don't agree with for fear of getting 'cancelled' among other outcomes that are socially negative.
    - LurkingPenguin 5y ago
      > That would be a pretty awesome outcome... Even more awesome if they filmed it and had Dave Chappelle standing outside to roast them as they were escorted out.
  - bawolff 5y ago
    > What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly. I suspect people involved with work stoppages who aren't protected via a union are keenly aware of the possibility of being fired and have deemed it worth the risk. > This reminds me more of the student protests we used to see, where they wanted to walk out of classes or miss exams but also wanted special treatment so they didn't fail the class. Umm, why not compare it to just a normal labour duspute strike action? This is literally a text book example of the type of action organized labour takes when its mad about something.
- rsj_hn 5y ago
  Pretty sure the Netflix would rather be rid of those who have totalitarian tendencies than to be rid Chappelle, given that their mission as an entertainment company is undermined by this type of censorship. There's a long line of people who can provide the same labor to Netflix without the hysteria, so a parting of ways would be a pareto improving outcome.
- kcplate 5y ago
  It’s a pointless gesture designed to be more about sending a virtue signal than any impact at all. Dave’s been paid, a work stoppage won’t stop eyeballs and ears from hearing the comedy (it’s all over YouTube), and Netflix will not lose a statistically significant number of subscribers over this. To be honest, I’m sure that there will be no interruption to the streaming service at all. And the next series of specials that Chappelle sells will have an increase in viewership because of the controversy these activist employees and stupid media outrage has created from this one. Netflix knows this and will want a chance at being the provider of that content.
pengaru 5y ago
It arguably makes sense for it to be made abundantly clear what caused a mass exodus vs. a pile of disorganized but disillusioned employees quietly parting ways piecemeal, if part of your goals is to actually effect change.
gfodor 5y ago
Lightening up is the one thing people like this are unable to do.
themodelplumber 5y ago
> easy enough Do you mean that it's easy to say "I quit," or that it's easy to kiss your next paychecks goodbye with no other approved recourse, despite the fact that you were employed by a company that you and thousands of others saw as perpetuating injustices toward a minority?
chuckee 5y ago
> If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. While I don't agree with the aims of the employees in question, I should point out that unions came about because your advice does not work. The only way to stand a chance against organized capital is with organized labor. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28603398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28603398
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  Sure but you have to get enough organized labor. This is a niche topic and I'm guessing the other 99% of netflix don't care enough about it to get fired. Organized labor generally appeared because of universal bad working conditions, pay, voice in governance, etc. Not really because of less popular items like LGBQ concerns about a comedian's opinions.
ekianjo 5y ago
> e the social justice brigade needs to seriously lighten up AS long as their tactics keep working (and they do since everybody is submitting to their will), I don't see that changing.
- emerged 5y ago
  Makes me wonder if there are any objective metrics whether the tactics are working more or less as time marches on. I’d imagine the contagion of woke continues to spread like any other, but by now most of us have been exposed and developed antibodies.
tonfreed 5y ago
You seem to be under the impression they actually watched it.

dragonwriter 5y ago

> If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. That's exactly the threat here, but with an opportunity for the company to alter its decision making if it wants the labor.

arthurcolle 5y ago
Well I certainly hope Netflix doesn't capitulate - maybe they can play up the controversy in the most sigma fashion possible and sign Dave Chappelle for another 10 specials to "respond" to the controversy.
- hhmc 5y ago
  Did you seriously unironically advocate for being a 'sigma male'?
  - arthurcolle 5y ago
    It was meant as a joke, but those videos are pretty hilarious.
    - analognoise 5y ago
      If incidents like this have taught us anything, nobody can take a joke anymore. Everyone is like a big exposed nerve, and also somehow an adult.
version_five 5y ago
What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? This reminds me more of the student protests we used to see, where they wanted to walk out of classes or miss exams but also wanted special treatment so they didn't fail the class. I've got no problem with not working at a place whose values you dont agree with, but I see this kind of action (and similar things at other tech companies) more as expecting your employer to pay you to undermine them. I could be wrong.
- arthurcolle 5y ago
  > What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? That would be a pretty awesome outcome - Netflix shouldn't have to change their programming (which is generally largely uncontroversial for the most part - I mean when is the last time they truly pushed the envelope? Maybe the OATS STUDIOS and original Black Mirror content?) to satisfy the permanently dissatisfied members of these new-age social movements that attempt to force people to say things that they don't agree with for fear of getting 'cancelled' among other outcomes that are socially negative.
  - LurkingPenguin 5y ago
    > That would be a pretty awesome outcome... Even more awesome if they filmed it and had Dave Chappelle standing outside to roast them as they were escorted out.
- bawolff 5y ago
  > What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly. I suspect people involved with work stoppages who aren't protected via a union are keenly aware of the possibility of being fired and have deemed it worth the risk. > This reminds me more of the student protests we used to see, where they wanted to walk out of classes or miss exams but also wanted special treatment so they didn't fail the class. Umm, why not compare it to just a normal labour duspute strike action? This is literally a text book example of the type of action organized labour takes when its mad about something.
rsj_hn 5y ago
Pretty sure the Netflix would rather be rid of those who have totalitarian tendencies than to be rid Chappelle, given that their mission as an entertainment company is undermined by this type of censorship. There's a long line of people who can provide the same labor to Netflix without the hysteria, so a parting of ways would be a pareto improving outcome.
kcplate 5y ago
It’s a pointless gesture designed to be more about sending a virtue signal than any impact at all. Dave’s been paid, a work stoppage won’t stop eyeballs and ears from hearing the comedy (it’s all over YouTube), and Netflix will not lose a statistically significant number of subscribers over this. To be honest, I’m sure that there will be no interruption to the streaming service at all. And the next series of specials that Chappelle sells will have an increase in viewership because of the controversy these activist employees and stupid media outrage has created from this one. Netflix knows this and will want a chance at being the provider of that content.

pengaru 5y ago

It arguably makes sense for it to be made abundantly clear what caused a mass exodus vs. a pile of disorganized but disillusioned employees quietly parting ways piecemeal, if part of your goals is to actually effect change.

gfodor 5y ago

Lightening up is the one thing people like this are unable to do.

themodelplumber 5y ago

> easy enough Do you mean that it's easy to say "I quit," or that it's easy to kiss your next paychecks goodbye with no other approved recourse, despite the fact that you were employed by a company that you and thousands of others saw as perpetuating injustices toward a minority?

chuckee 5y ago

> If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. While I don't agree with the aims of the employees in question, I should point out that unions came about because your advice does not work. The only way to stand a chance against organized capital is with organized labor. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28603398 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28603398

stjohnswarts 5y ago
Sure but you have to get enough organized labor. This is a niche topic and I'm guessing the other 99% of netflix don't care enough about it to get fired. Organized labor generally appeared because of universal bad working conditions, pay, voice in governance, etc. Not really because of less popular items like LGBQ concerns about a comedian's opinions.

ekianjo 5y ago

> e the social justice brigade needs to seriously lighten up AS long as their tactics keep working (and they do since everybody is submitting to their will), I don't see that changing.

emerged 5y ago
Makes me wonder if there are any objective metrics whether the tactics are working more or less as time marches on. I’d imagine the contagion of woke continues to spread like any other, but by now most of us have been exposed and developed antibodies.

tonfreed 5y ago

You seem to be under the impression they actually watched it.