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> concentration camps What is your source? I hardly believe she said that and still a home minister of a free and democratic society.

ceejayoz 5y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/30/revealed-no-10-explores-sending-asylum-seekers-to-moldova-morocco-and-papua-new-guinea https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/30/revealed-no-... > Downing Street has asked officials to consider the option of sending asylum seekers to Moldova, Morocco or Papua New Guinea and is the driving force behind proposals to hold refugees in offshore detention centres, according to documents seen by the Guardian. > The documents suggest officials in the Foreign Office have been pushing back against No 10’s proposals to process asylum applications in detention facilities overseas, which have also included the suggestion the centres could be constructed on the south Atlantic islands of Ascension and St Helena. I'm iffy on terming this "concentration camps". It fits the technical definition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_... as examples), but the line between "concentration" and "extermination" camps like Auschwitz has been entirely blurred for decades.
- mercy_dude 5y ago
  > Downing Street has asked officials to consider the option of sending asylum seekers to Moldova, Morocco or Papua New Guinea and is the driving force behind proposals to hold refugees in offshore detention centres How is a detention Center the same as concentration camp? My take on these hot button issues such as immigration is media (right or left) always tries to make this a polarizing issue to play the narrative for the side they are in. I remember post 2016 during Trump presidency, detention camps for people from southern borders in US were a large issue even though they existed with the same level or lower humanitarian conditions for decades. media (on the left) would make huge deal when CBP would separate parents and hold people in detention camps even though same things happened in previous adminiStratton. This would lead media outlets calling Trump border enforcement secretary all sorts of names comparing him to Gestapo in some of those show congressional hearings. Now the exact same conditions exist, CBP has the exact same level of enforcement of border laws. But you don’t hear the same outlets coming out with their outrage machine. Except Fox and some other channels leaning right. Neither right or left has any intention to solve the immigration crisis(at least in the US). Both sides use this issue to rile up their base, that’s all.
  - seoulmetro 5y ago
    They're not the same thing, but by conflating the two, you can lie and add bias to the meaning. :(
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  - irrational 5y ago
    Not OP, but isn’t a concentration camp just a place to concentrate people you have detained? It doesn’t automatically mean gas chambers.
  - pjc50 5y ago
    > How is a detention Center the same as concentration camp? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment "The American Heritage Dictionary defines the term concentration camp as: "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group which the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable."" Basically all immigration detention counts: people detained (not free to leave) without being charged with a crime. This remains wrong regardless of cynical media games on the subject.
  - mmarq 5y ago
    > How is a detention Center the same as concentration camp? Because a valid definition of “concentration camp” is: > A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group which the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable refugees are sent there before any hearing and life on an abandoned oil rig in the North Sea is extremely harsh. When these people are sent to remote locations, it is often to circumvent human rights protections (see the Australian government sending refugees to remote islands or the Italian government paying warlords to run concentration camps in Lybia). Also refugees are deemed undesirable and dangerous by a large fraction of the population, and so by the government. We ticked all the boxes.

ceejayoz 5y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/30/revealed-no-10-explores-sending-asylum-seekers-to-moldova-morocco-and-papua-new-guinea https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/sep/30/revealed-no-... > Downing Street has asked officials to consider the option of sending asylum seekers to Moldova, Morocco or Papua New Guinea and is the driving force behind proposals to hold refugees in offshore detention centres, according to documents seen by the Guardian. > The documents suggest officials in the Foreign Office have been pushing back against No 10’s proposals to process asylum applications in detention facilities overseas, which have also included the suggestion the centres could be constructed on the south Atlantic islands of Ascension and St Helena. I'm iffy on terming this "concentration camps". It fits the technical definition (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_camps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Boer_War_concentration_... as examples), but the line between "concentration" and "extermination" camps like Auschwitz has been entirely blurred for decades.

mercy_dude 5y ago
> Downing Street has asked officials to consider the option of sending asylum seekers to Moldova, Morocco or Papua New Guinea and is the driving force behind proposals to hold refugees in offshore detention centres How is a detention Center the same as concentration camp? My take on these hot button issues such as immigration is media (right or left) always tries to make this a polarizing issue to play the narrative for the side they are in. I remember post 2016 during Trump presidency, detention camps for people from southern borders in US were a large issue even though they existed with the same level or lower humanitarian conditions for decades. media (on the left) would make huge deal when CBP would separate parents and hold people in detention camps even though same things happened in previous adminiStratton. This would lead media outlets calling Trump border enforcement secretary all sorts of names comparing him to Gestapo in some of those show congressional hearings. Now the exact same conditions exist, CBP has the exact same level of enforcement of border laws. But you don’t hear the same outlets coming out with their outrage machine. Except Fox and some other channels leaning right. Neither right or left has any intention to solve the immigration crisis(at least in the US). Both sides use this issue to rile up their base, that’s all.
- seoulmetro 5y ago
  They're not the same thing, but by conflating the two, you can lie and add bias to the meaning. :(
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- irrational 5y ago
  Not OP, but isn’t a concentration camp just a place to concentrate people you have detained? It doesn’t automatically mean gas chambers.
- pjc50 5y ago
  > How is a detention Center the same as concentration camp? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment "The American Heritage Dictionary defines the term concentration camp as: "A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group which the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable."" Basically all immigration detention counts: people detained (not free to leave) without being charged with a crime. This remains wrong regardless of cynical media games on the subject.
- mmarq 5y ago
  > How is a detention Center the same as concentration camp? Because a valid definition of “concentration camp” is: > A camp where persons are confined, usually without hearings and typically under harsh conditions, often as a result of their membership in a group which the government has identified as dangerous or undesirable refugees are sent there before any hearing and life on an abandoned oil rig in the North Sea is extremely harsh. When these people are sent to remote locations, it is often to circumvent human rights protections (see the Australian government sending refugees to remote islands or the Italian government paying warlords to run concentration camps in Lybia). Also refugees are deemed undesirable and dangerous by a large fraction of the population, and so by the government. We ticked all the boxes.