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Fortunately, you can't catch obesity from being in close contact with other obese people. Or take it home, and transmit it to younger and/or more at-risk people

by iab 5y ago

Fortunately, you can't catch obesity from being in close contact with other obese people. Or take it home, and transmit it to younger and/or more at-risk people; Cheeseburgers don't work that way. More vaccinations mean better protection for everybody - this is the whole point.

ekianjo 5y ago
> More vaccinations mean better protection for everybody You don't need children to be protected for example with vaccines because they do not suffer from COVID19-related disease. That's a fact.
- justin66 5y ago
  All untrue. Children suffer from COVID 19 and in the United States account for over 1% of COVID 19 related hospitalizations. It's extremely rare that they die from it, but that's not what you wrote. More to the OP's point regarding vaccination protecting everybody, vaccination reduces the odds children will spread the virus if they catch it.
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    > More to the OP's point regarding vaccination protecting everybody, vaccination reduces the odds children will spread the virus if they catch it. Factually wrong. Vaccinated people carry just as much viral load as others when they are exposed to the virus. Already been proven in multiple publications. > Children suffer from COVID 19 and in the United States account for over 1% of COVID 19 related hospitalizations. Children of what age, and suffering of what comorbidities please?
    - justin66 5y ago
      Yeesh. I don’t know about “proof” but the paper that came just this month from UC Davis vis a vis viral load among the vaccinated is sobering. I just saw it this morning. I don’t understand why one would view the presence of comorbidities as a reason to say what you said above, as if those people do not exist. There might be a case that a highly resource constrained society would want to limit vaccination among children to those with comorbidities.
- iab 5y ago
  That’s a fact, in the same way that up is the same as down
LurkingPenguin 5y ago
> More vaccinations mean better protection for everybody - this is the whole point. One can agree with that while at the same time acknowledging that the vaccines aren't anywhere near 100% protective. The science says that neutralizing antibodies that are produced after vaccination wane quickly (in months) and vaccinated individuals can still get and transmit the virus. And guess what? The serious breakthrough cases appear to be happening most often in the very groups of people who are most at risk when unvaccinated -- the immunocompromised, the elderly, the overweight and obese, and the diabetic. In short, everyone who is SARS-CoV-2 naive should seriously consider getting vaccinated if they haven't been already because it generally provides strong protection against hospitalization and death, but when assessing individual risk, let's not pretend that the risk of severe outcomes is equal in all people. COVID is an opportunity to talk about metabolic health that we're sadly largely missing.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  > COVID is an opportunity to talk about metabolic health that we're sadly largely missing. Exactly, instead of just reporting "deaths", we should be reporting "death by multiple comorbidities" in a matrix form, if we even slightly cared about the science one bit. But no, the media and politicians are just interested in controlling the narrative that it kills everyone randomly.
  - iab 5y ago
    Yes, people distorting things to suit their agenda. Your comments, for example.
exodust 5y ago
> Cheeseburgers don't work that way. No, but you can't completely exclude the manipulative effects of communal eating habits. You can't exclude the multi-billion dollar tactics to promote, associate, tempt, entice and feed children, adults and families with fast food. Nor can you exclude the actual food, including portion size, sugar content, and cost/value from having a "transmission" effect of hooking vulnerable people on convenient, cheap, endlessly available junk food. All repeatedly validated via communal eating habits, symbols, signs and billboard displayed everywhere. Imprints of these messages become part of your brain's neural network over years. Cheeseburgers don't work like the virus, but you can wake up one day and realize you've consumed 50 kilograms of cheeseburgers, fries and coke in the last year, and wonder how the hell that happened and why you're now in the high risk category.
- iab 5y ago
  This is true, and irrelevant. You can’t vaccinate against the spread of obesity, which is what we are talking about
  - exodust 5y ago
    It's not irrelevant. Obesity is an epidemic. "One of today’s most blatantly visible – yet most neglected – public health problems" according to the WHO. Someone above pointed out to you that the majority of COVID deaths are in specific populations -- the elderly, the obese, the diabetic, and that "maybe we should think about that", which you replied with "you can't vaccinate against obesity". Vaccination is just one way to deal with an epidemic. The WHO coined "globesity" to describe the escalating global epidemic "taking over many parts of the world". "Its health consequences range from increased risk of premature death to serious chronic conditions that reduce the overall quality of life." https://www.who.int/activities/controlling-the-global-obesity-epidemic https://www.who.int/activities/controlling-the-global-obesit...
    - iab 5y ago
      It is irrelevant to the discussion of vaccines, of which this one. Or do you believe we can vaccinate against obesity, because I am starting to think you do

by iab 5y ago

ekianjo 5y ago

> More vaccinations mean better protection for everybody You don't need children to be protected for example with vaccines because they do not suffer from COVID19-related disease. That's a fact.

justin66 5y ago
All untrue. Children suffer from COVID 19 and in the United States account for over 1% of COVID 19 related hospitalizations. It's extremely rare that they die from it, but that's not what you wrote. More to the OP's point regarding vaccination protecting everybody, vaccination reduces the odds children will spread the virus if they catch it.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  > More to the OP's point regarding vaccination protecting everybody, vaccination reduces the odds children will spread the virus if they catch it. Factually wrong. Vaccinated people carry just as much viral load as others when they are exposed to the virus. Already been proven in multiple publications. > Children suffer from COVID 19 and in the United States account for over 1% of COVID 19 related hospitalizations. Children of what age, and suffering of what comorbidities please?
  - justin66 5y ago
    Yeesh. I don’t know about “proof” but the paper that came just this month from UC Davis vis a vis viral load among the vaccinated is sobering. I just saw it this morning. I don’t understand why one would view the presence of comorbidities as a reason to say what you said above, as if those people do not exist. There might be a case that a highly resource constrained society would want to limit vaccination among children to those with comorbidities.
iab 5y ago
That’s a fact, in the same way that up is the same as down

LurkingPenguin 5y ago

> More vaccinations mean better protection for everybody - this is the whole point. One can agree with that while at the same time acknowledging that the vaccines aren't anywhere near 100% protective. The science says that neutralizing antibodies that are produced after vaccination wane quickly (in months) and vaccinated individuals can still get and transmit the virus. And guess what? The serious breakthrough cases appear to be happening most often in the very groups of people who are most at risk when unvaccinated -- the immunocompromised, the elderly, the overweight and obese, and the diabetic. In short, everyone who is SARS-CoV-2 naive should seriously consider getting vaccinated if they haven't been already because it generally provides strong protection against hospitalization and death, but when assessing individual risk, let's not pretend that the risk of severe outcomes is equal in all people. COVID is an opportunity to talk about metabolic health that we're sadly largely missing.

ekianjo 5y ago
> COVID is an opportunity to talk about metabolic health that we're sadly largely missing. Exactly, instead of just reporting "deaths", we should be reporting "death by multiple comorbidities" in a matrix form, if we even slightly cared about the science one bit. But no, the media and politicians are just interested in controlling the narrative that it kills everyone randomly.
- iab 5y ago
  Yes, people distorting things to suit their agenda. Your comments, for example.

exodust 5y ago

> Cheeseburgers don't work that way. No, but you can't completely exclude the manipulative effects of communal eating habits. You can't exclude the multi-billion dollar tactics to promote, associate, tempt, entice and feed children, adults and families with fast food. Nor can you exclude the actual food, including portion size, sugar content, and cost/value from having a "transmission" effect of hooking vulnerable people on convenient, cheap, endlessly available junk food. All repeatedly validated via communal eating habits, symbols, signs and billboard displayed everywhere. Imprints of these messages become part of your brain's neural network over years. Cheeseburgers don't work like the virus, but you can wake up one day and realize you've consumed 50 kilograms of cheeseburgers, fries and coke in the last year, and wonder how the hell that happened and why you're now in the high risk category.

iab 5y ago
This is true, and irrelevant. You can’t vaccinate against the spread of obesity, which is what we are talking about
- exodust 5y ago
  It's not irrelevant. Obesity is an epidemic. "One of today’s most blatantly visible – yet most neglected – public health problems" according to the WHO. Someone above pointed out to you that the majority of COVID deaths are in specific populations -- the elderly, the obese, the diabetic, and that "maybe we should think about that", which you replied with "you can't vaccinate against obesity". Vaccination is just one way to deal with an epidemic. The WHO coined "globesity" to describe the escalating global epidemic "taking over many parts of the world". "Its health consequences range from increased risk of premature death to serious chronic conditions that reduce the overall quality of life." https://www.who.int/activities/controlling-the-global-obesity-epidemic https://www.who.int/activities/controlling-the-global-obesit...
  - iab 5y ago
    It is irrelevant to the discussion of vaccines, of which this one. Or do you believe we can vaccinate against obesity, because I am starting to think you do