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This seems like it's just a re-branding and downsizing exercise. Which isn't a bad idea. An old joke is that Alitalia = "Always Late In Takeoff, Always Late I

by powera 5y ago

This seems like it's just a re-branding and downsizing exercise. Which isn't a bad idea. An old joke is that Alitalia = "Always Late In Takeoff, Always Late In Arrival".

Bilal_io 5y ago
So they rebranded to "Always Takeoff Arrival".
giorgioz 5y ago
Italian Software Engineer here. Yes it seems it's a rebranding and downsizing operation. The articles have very strong nationalist and arrogant tones masked as pride. Please remember that is the product of some marketing guy trying to attract your attention. It saddens me to discover that acronym for Alitalia. I was aware of the FIAT one. It shows the stereotypes of Italian being good only at good and clothes. Italy is a country of 60 millions people. There are a LOT of people good and bad at many things. As an Italian Software Engineer I personally struggle through life because of this. It's a constant battle to fight stereotypes imposed on me by both foreigners and other italians that just think "fuck it, if they think we are only good at that then we'll dress up and give them a show".
- jokethrowaway 5y ago
  As a fellow Italian software engineer living abroad, this is completely uncalled for. I'm the first to joke about Alitalia and the extraordinarily inefficiency of most Italian government owned institutions. It's not even a stereotype, the Italian government really is terrible at managing anything. There's plenty of data on that. Every country has stereotypes and Italian ones are not even too bad. Well dressed, cooking well, good with girls, terrible bureaucracy. I don't feel one bit Italian for various reasons, but I'm more than happy to wear a stereotype when it's convenient and ignore it when it's not. Despite what you may have learned from 2021 politics, playing the victim card won't get you far or get you any sympathy from people with a brain.
  - giorgioz 5y ago
    There is a lot to unpack there. I'm not defending Alitalia, it is/was a company I rarely chose given there were more affordable choices that I preferred like Ryanair/Easyjet/Vueling/Wizzair. I dislike Alitalia as much as I disliked the older airlines with more expensive tickets like KLM, AirFrance,British Airways,Lufthansa,Iberia,... ALITALIA WAS NOT ALWAYS LATE: I've tried to search for statistics about airlines and Alitalia seemed not to be particularly bad: Here it Alitalia it appears in the top 20 on time airlines with values very close to the others: https://www.oag.com/hubfs/Free_Reports/Punctuality_League/2019/Punctuality%20League%202019%20Single%20Pages.pdf https://www.oag.com/hubfs/Free_Reports/Punctuality_League/20... Alitalia does not figure in several articles about the 5 least on time airlines: https://www.flight-delayed.co.uk/blog/2020/02/18/the-most-delayed-airlines-in-europe https://www.flight-delayed.co.uk/blog/2020/02/18/the-most-de... My point here is that we must be objective about performance. Saying Alitalia was this much slow on that year is objective. It's a measureable metric. Repeating acronynims like ALITALIA Always Late I Takeoff Always Late In Arrival FIAT fix it again tony it's not objective, it's just a joke based on the stereotype of Italians being incapable of technical achievements. Italians generally are the first to roast Italy but they do so not objectively. We should criticize our own faults in order to discover them and improve them. But we should also check if what we are criticizing is actually that bad because frankly in most instances it's not that bad and in some cases is actually very good. Definitely Alitalia didn't shine and we could and should do better but Alitalia it was statistically NOT always late.

by powera 5y ago

This seems like it's just a re-branding and downsizing exercise. Which isn't a bad idea. An old joke is that Alitalia = "Always Late In Takeoff, Always Late In Arrival".

Bilal_io 5y ago

So they rebranded to "Always Takeoff Arrival".

giorgioz 5y ago

Italian Software Engineer here. Yes it seems it's a rebranding and downsizing operation. The articles have very strong nationalist and arrogant tones masked as pride. Please remember that is the product of some marketing guy trying to attract your attention. It saddens me to discover that acronym for Alitalia. I was aware of the FIAT one. It shows the stereotypes of Italian being good only at good and clothes. Italy is a country of 60 millions people. There are a LOT of people good and bad at many things. As an Italian Software Engineer I personally struggle through life because of this. It's a constant battle to fight stereotypes imposed on me by both foreigners and other italians that just think "fuck it, if they think we are only good at that then we'll dress up and give them a show".

jokethrowaway 5y ago
As a fellow Italian software engineer living abroad, this is completely uncalled for. I'm the first to joke about Alitalia and the extraordinarily inefficiency of most Italian government owned institutions. It's not even a stereotype, the Italian government really is terrible at managing anything. There's plenty of data on that. Every country has stereotypes and Italian ones are not even too bad. Well dressed, cooking well, good with girls, terrible bureaucracy. I don't feel one bit Italian for various reasons, but I'm more than happy to wear a stereotype when it's convenient and ignore it when it's not. Despite what you may have learned from 2021 politics, playing the victim card won't get you far or get you any sympathy from people with a brain.
- giorgioz 5y ago
  There is a lot to unpack there. I'm not defending Alitalia, it is/was a company I rarely chose given there were more affordable choices that I preferred like Ryanair/Easyjet/Vueling/Wizzair. I dislike Alitalia as much as I disliked the older airlines with more expensive tickets like KLM, AirFrance,British Airways,Lufthansa,Iberia,... ALITALIA WAS NOT ALWAYS LATE: I've tried to search for statistics about airlines and Alitalia seemed not to be particularly bad: Here it Alitalia it appears in the top 20 on time airlines with values very close to the others: https://www.oag.com/hubfs/Free_Reports/Punctuality_League/2019/Punctuality%20League%202019%20Single%20Pages.pdf https://www.oag.com/hubfs/Free_Reports/Punctuality_League/20... Alitalia does not figure in several articles about the 5 least on time airlines: https://www.flight-delayed.co.uk/blog/2020/02/18/the-most-delayed-airlines-in-europe https://www.flight-delayed.co.uk/blog/2020/02/18/the-most-de... My point here is that we must be objective about performance. Saying Alitalia was this much slow on that year is objective. It's a measureable metric. Repeating acronynims like ALITALIA Always Late I Takeoff Always Late In Arrival FIAT fix it again tony it's not objective, it's just a joke based on the stereotype of Italians being incapable of technical achievements. Italians generally are the first to roast Italy but they do so not objectively. We should criticize our own faults in order to discover them and improve them. But we should also check if what we are criticizing is actually that bad because frankly in most instances it's not that bad and in some cases is actually very good. Definitely Alitalia didn't shine and we could and should do better but Alitalia it was statistically NOT always late.