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Calculate 1% of the population of your country. Here are some other useful ways to understand the severity: Imagine that on every international flight, 8 pass

by dools 5y ago

Calculate 1% of the population of your country. Here are some other useful ways to understand the severity: Imagine that on every international flight, 8 passengers died from covid Imagine that at every capacity game at Madison square garden (or another sports venue of your choice) 200 people died of covid. Every time. Now think about that and ask yourself if you might think twice before flying internationally or going to a basketball game. You could also do some comparisons to road deaths and think about all the public health measures we have in place to prevent them and how many people still either know someone who has been impacted by road accidents.

LurkingPenguin 5y ago
> Imagine that on every international flight, 8 passengers died from covid > Imagine that at every capacity game at Madison square garden (or another sports venue of your choice) 200 people died of covid. > Every time. > Now think about that and ask yourself if you might think twice before flying internationally or going to a basketball game. Yes, in absolute terms, the number of people who have died from COVID is significant. But your examples use random populations, which is a bit misleading because we know that the vast majority of COVID deaths are in specific populations -- the elderly, the obese, the diabetic. Of course, some countries have seen far more deaths than others, but the statistics make it pretty clear this is because their populations are older and have more comorbidities. See https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/health/obesity-covid-death-rate-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/health/obesity-covid-death-ra... > In an analysis of data and studies from more than 160 countries, the researchers found that Covid-19 mortality rates increased along with countries' prevalence of obesity. They note that the link persisted even after adjusting for age and national wealth. > The report found that every country where less than 40% of the population was overweight had a low Covid-19 death rate of no more than 10 people per 100,000. As the article notes, over two-thirds of Americans are overweight so let's rephrase your question: imagine that you went to a full-capacity game at MSG and the majority of people were overweight (and 40% were obese!). Because that's what America actually looks like. Maybe we should be thinking about that too?
- iab 5y ago
  Fortunately, you can't catch obesity from being in close contact with other obese people. Or take it home, and transmit it to younger and/or more at-risk people; Cheeseburgers don't work that way. More vaccinations mean better protection for everybody - this is the whole point.
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    > More vaccinations mean better protection for everybody You don't need children to be protected for example with vaccines because they do not suffer from COVID19-related disease. That's a fact.
    - justin66 5y ago
      All untrue. Children suffer from COVID 19 and in the United States account for over 1% of COVID 19 related hospitalizations. It's extremely rare that they die from it, but that's not what you wrote. More to the OP's point regarding vaccination protecting everybody, vaccination reduces the odds children will spread the virus if they catch it.
      - ekianjo 5y ago
        > More to the OP's point regarding vaccination protecting everybody, vaccination reduces the odds children will spread the virus if they catch it. Factually wrong. Vaccinated people carry just as much viral load as others when they are exposed to the virus. Already been proven in multiple publications. > Children suffer from COVID 19 and in the United States account for over 1% of COVID 19 related hospitalizations. Children of what age, and suffering of what comorbidities please?
        justin66 5y ago
        Yeesh. I don’t know about “proof” but the paper that came just this month from UC Davis vis a vis viral load among the vaccinated is sobering. I just saw it this morning. I don’t understand why one would view the presence of comorbidities as a reason to say what you said above, as if those people do not exist. There might be a case that a highly resource constrained society would want to limit vaccination among children to those with comorbidities.
ekianjo 5y ago
1% is conservative, the truth is much lower than that because we can't measure with reliability people who have no symptoms. As as the other commenter pointed out, it's not random. People with multiple comorbidities are usually the ones impacted, not healthy random people. You may want to think about that before making bad analogies.
- justin66 5y ago
  > we can't measure with reliability people who have no symptoms Also untrue. Random sample testing is a thing.
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    > Also untrue. Random sample testing is a thing. What's untrue is that testing is 100% reliable. Look at how PCR testing actually works and how many cycles they use for detection. You will come with a different mind.
ekianjo 5y ago
> Calculate 1% of the population of your country. Then calculate the rate of other killer diseases in most developed countries, such as cardiovascular diseases, cancers, or opoid-related deaths, and how much we don't care about those usually while COVID is suddenly an extraordinary emergency that requires we lock down everything and everyone just to save people who have 3-4 comorbidities in the first place (and those should get vaccinated). It's pure madness.
- justin66 5y ago
  > cardiovascular diseases, cancers, or opoid-related deaths, and how much we don't care about those usually Speak for yourself.
  - ekianjo 5y ago
    I speak about the authorities, who obviously don't make as much of a fuss of it as they seize every opportunity possible with COVID.
lborsato 5y ago
700,000 Americans died. That is approximately 0.21%. Over almost 2 years. Not 1%.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  And that's assuming the count is even accurate. We now know that in some places they categorized people as dying from COVID even if they died from completely unrelated causes just because they did a COVID test on top. So the truth is certainly less.
  - dools 5y ago
    No, we don’t now know that unless we are victims of misinformation

by dools 5y ago

LurkingPenguin 5y ago

> Imagine that on every international flight, 8 passengers died from covid > Imagine that at every capacity game at Madison square garden (or another sports venue of your choice) 200 people died of covid. > Every time. > Now think about that and ask yourself if you might think twice before flying internationally or going to a basketball game. Yes, in absolute terms, the number of people who have died from COVID is significant. But your examples use random populations, which is a bit misleading because we know that the vast majority of COVID deaths are in specific populations -- the elderly, the obese, the diabetic. Of course, some countries have seen far more deaths than others, but the statistics make it pretty clear this is because their populations are older and have more comorbidities. See https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/health/obesity-covid-death-rate-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/04/health/obesity-covid-death-ra... > In an analysis of data and studies from more than 160 countries, the researchers found that Covid-19 mortality rates increased along with countries' prevalence of obesity. They note that the link persisted even after adjusting for age and national wealth. > The report found that every country where less than 40% of the population was overweight had a low Covid-19 death rate of no more than 10 people per 100,000. As the article notes, over two-thirds of Americans are overweight so let's rephrase your question: imagine that you went to a full-capacity game at MSG and the majority of people were overweight (and 40% were obese!). Because that's what America actually looks like. Maybe we should be thinking about that too?

iab 5y ago
Fortunately, you can't catch obesity from being in close contact with other obese people. Or take it home, and transmit it to younger and/or more at-risk people; Cheeseburgers don't work that way. More vaccinations mean better protection for everybody - this is the whole point.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  > More vaccinations mean better protection for everybody You don't need children to be protected for example with vaccines because they do not suffer from COVID19-related disease. That's a fact.
  - justin66 5y ago
    All untrue. Children suffer from COVID 19 and in the United States account for over 1% of COVID 19 related hospitalizations. It's extremely rare that they die from it, but that's not what you wrote. More to the OP's point regarding vaccination protecting everybody, vaccination reduces the odds children will spread the virus if they catch it.
    - ekianjo 5y ago
      > More to the OP's point regarding vaccination protecting everybody, vaccination reduces the odds children will spread the virus if they catch it. Factually wrong. Vaccinated people carry just as much viral load as others when they are exposed to the virus. Already been proven in multiple publications. > Children suffer from COVID 19 and in the United States account for over 1% of COVID 19 related hospitalizations. Children of what age, and suffering of what comorbidities please?
      - justin66 5y ago
        Yeesh. I don’t know about “proof” but the paper that came just this month from UC Davis vis a vis viral load among the vaccinated is sobering. I just saw it this morning. I don’t understand why one would view the presence of comorbidities as a reason to say what you said above, as if those people do not exist. There might be a case that a highly resource constrained society would want to limit vaccination among children to those with comorbidities.

ekianjo 5y ago

1% is conservative, the truth is much lower than that because we can't measure with reliability people who have no symptoms. As as the other commenter pointed out, it's not random. People with multiple comorbidities are usually the ones impacted, not healthy random people. You may want to think about that before making bad analogies.

justin66 5y ago
> we can't measure with reliability people who have no symptoms Also untrue. Random sample testing is a thing.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  > Also untrue. Random sample testing is a thing. What's untrue is that testing is 100% reliable. Look at how PCR testing actually works and how many cycles they use for detection. You will come with a different mind.

ekianjo 5y ago

> Calculate 1% of the population of your country. Then calculate the rate of other killer diseases in most developed countries, such as cardiovascular diseases, cancers, or opoid-related deaths, and how much we don't care about those usually while COVID is suddenly an extraordinary emergency that requires we lock down everything and everyone just to save people who have 3-4 comorbidities in the first place (and those should get vaccinated). It's pure madness.

justin66 5y ago
> cardiovascular diseases, cancers, or opoid-related deaths, and how much we don't care about those usually Speak for yourself.
- ekianjo 5y ago
  I speak about the authorities, who obviously don't make as much of a fuss of it as they seize every opportunity possible with COVID.

lborsato 5y ago

700,000 Americans died. That is approximately 0.21%. Over almost 2 years. Not 1%.

ekianjo 5y ago
And that's assuming the count is even accurate. We now know that in some places they categorized people as dying from COVID even if they died from completely unrelated causes just because they did a COVID test on top. So the truth is certainly less.
- dools 5y ago
  No, we don’t now know that unless we are victims of misinformation