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Bread and pasta, perhaps?

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
Though that pasta would be pretty bland without any tomato sauce! Also weird to think that, as much as many people associate tomatoes with Italy, they were also brought from the Americas.
- igouy 5y ago
  Here you'll find non-tomato condimento -- https://www.google.com/books/edition/Sauces_Shapes_Pasta_the_Italian_Way/rUczAQAAQBAJ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Sauces_Shapes_Pasta_the...
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  > Though that pasta would be pretty bland without any tomato sauce! You'd use onions and garlic. Those are both still massively popular today. Cheese, garlic, and oil are all staples for flavoring pasta, and none of them rely on a new world crop.
  - vram22 5y ago
    And cheese and garlic are used with bread too.
- ImprovedSilence 5y ago
  All good thoughts. I think Italy has the soil and weather for goood tomatoes though, so it took off. That said, I think most sauces in Italy are not tomato based. Simple things like Oil and salt is pretty common on pasta (and VERY tasty if u ask me). But to the point, yeah, bread, pasta, and olive oil…
- axiolite 5y ago
  > Though that pasta would be pretty bland without any tomato sauce! Fettuccine alfredo.
  - zeckalpha 5y ago
    > Created by Alfredo di Lelio I (1882–1959) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fettuccine_Alfredo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fettuccine_Alfredo Many things we assume Italians ate forever are relatively new: Brocollini, Tiramisu, Ciabatta were all created in the 20th century.
    - MandieD 5y ago
      A lot of HN (myself included) is older than ciabatta (1982!) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciabatta https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciabatta
    - axiolite 5y ago
      From your link: "Serving fettuccine with butter and cheese was first mentioned in a 15th-century recipe"
- amatic 5y ago
  Carbonara, though. Pasta, eggs, bacon, cheese and pepper. Pigs, cows and wheat came with the first farmers, some 6k years ago. Chicken around 2k years ago, but they could have used other eggs. Pepper much later, silk road trade. I imagine they could have had something like carbonara a long time ago.
  - igouy 5y ago
    Guanciale. https://cookandeatbetter.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/recipe-box-spaghetti-alla-carbonara/ https://cookandeatbetter.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/recipe-box...

Though that pasta would be pretty bland without any tomato sauce! Also weird to think that, as much as many people associate tomatoes with Italy, they were also brought from the Americas.

igouy 5y ago
Here you'll find non-tomato condimento -- https://www.google.com/books/edition/Sauces_Shapes_Pasta_the_Italian_Way/rUczAQAAQBAJ https://www.google.com/books/edition/Sauces_Shapes_Pasta_the...
thaumasiotes 5y ago
> Though that pasta would be pretty bland without any tomato sauce! You'd use onions and garlic. Those are both still massively popular today. Cheese, garlic, and oil are all staples for flavoring pasta, and none of them rely on a new world crop.
- vram22 5y ago
  And cheese and garlic are used with bread too.
ImprovedSilence 5y ago
All good thoughts. I think Italy has the soil and weather for goood tomatoes though, so it took off. That said, I think most sauces in Italy are not tomato based. Simple things like Oil and salt is pretty common on pasta (and VERY tasty if u ask me). But to the point, yeah, bread, pasta, and olive oil…
axiolite 5y ago
> Though that pasta would be pretty bland without any tomato sauce! Fettuccine alfredo.
- zeckalpha 5y ago
  > Created by Alfredo di Lelio I (1882–1959) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fettuccine_Alfredo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fettuccine_Alfredo Many things we assume Italians ate forever are relatively new: Brocollini, Tiramisu, Ciabatta were all created in the 20th century.
  - MandieD 5y ago
    A lot of HN (myself included) is older than ciabatta (1982!) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciabatta https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ciabatta
  - axiolite 5y ago
    From your link: "Serving fettuccine with butter and cheese was first mentioned in a 15th-century recipe"
amatic 5y ago
Carbonara, though. Pasta, eggs, bacon, cheese and pepper. Pigs, cows and wheat came with the first farmers, some 6k years ago. Chicken around 2k years ago, but they could have used other eggs. Pepper much later, silk road trade. I imagine they could have had something like carbonara a long time ago.
- igouy 5y ago
  Guanciale. https://cookandeatbetter.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/recipe-box-spaghetti-alla-carbonara/ https://cookandeatbetter.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/recipe-box...