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Are there any famous Americans that haven't interacted with the national intelligence apparatus? I'm starting to wonder if American's deep distrust of the gover

by bdamm 5y ago

Are there any famous Americans that haven't interacted with the national intelligence apparatus? I'm starting to wonder if American's deep distrust of the government is actually because Americans have been manipulated. If it turns out that basically every American that made it into a big city has been manipulated, tricked, or met and attempted to build trust with false personas that are facade to government operations then that should be both shocking and revealing.

nebula8804 5y ago
I've been thinking about this as well. Define "Famous". In Hollywood it is possible to be "famous" but not famous enough that you are a countrywide sensation. Is that still "famous"? Examples that are top of mind: Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Respected in her field and successful by pretty much any metric but may not be well known among the whole populace. I mean even really famous people are not entirely known depending on the group you ask. I have spoken with Senior Citizens who still to this day don't know Elon Musk. Likewise I have worked with immigrant families that also don't pay attention to his antics and so don't have an association with Tesla/That Space company with him. Now does the CIA have a program that tracks and ensures that that anyone even remotely famous can be dealt with? With their resources why not? But without evidence it is just conspiracy. Did they see someone like AOC coming? She came out the blue because even she didn't expect to win the election that had no national coverage whatsoever. I'm sure they got her under their control now but this begs the question. Maybe it is possible to secretly gather the resources and power to make effective change without getting their attention in the short term. I'm probably on their radar now though. :P What they have now probably makes the Snowden revelations seem like Windows 95. I bet they have formed mental models of each American mind and can "predict" the dissenters ahead of time.
- Sebguer 5y ago
  Community organizer that went to a school that literally brags about having former CIA agents as staff on its faculty? Yeah, I think AOC was on their radar.
  - nebula8804 5y ago
    I heard this conspiracy theory coming from Bernie supporters who are burned out as well as Trump supporters. Its quite a stretch.
    - boomboomsubban 5y ago
      The intelligence agencies have a fairly rich history of infiltrating the far left and far right. How influential they were in any events is unknown, but they almost certainly kept tabs on what every group was doing.
      - nebula8804 5y ago
        Agreed. I bet they were looking into Justice Democrats as soon as they started. I just wonder how serious they were taking it before one of their candidates actually won. It certainly seems like as AOC got more popular, she seems to have gotten co-opted. I followed her extremely closely in the the run up to her win. Her personality has completely changed. Part of this I attribute to her party constantly being on her neck but there might be something else at play.
    - Sebguer 5y ago
      The conspiracy theory is that she actually worked for the CIA, I'm very much not claiming that. I don't think it's even remotely conspiratorial to think that she was known to them.
- Spooky23 5y ago
  She came out of the blue because she ran against an old school, Irish political machine family candidate (Crowley) who didn’t notice that his district was no longer Irish/Italian, as they have moved away or died. My grandma loved Crowley in the early 80s when he was a city council guy kissing babies at catholic events. Fast forward 30 years, and younger Hispanics voted for the Hispanic candidate. If the CIA has some magic power to make arrogant political people act like political people, they must have been around since Ancient Greek times.
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by bdamm 5y ago

nebula8804 5y ago

I've been thinking about this as well. Define "Famous". In Hollywood it is possible to be "famous" but not famous enough that you are a countrywide sensation. Is that still "famous"? Examples that are top of mind: Mary Elizabeth Winstead. Respected in her field and successful by pretty much any metric but may not be well known among the whole populace. I mean even really famous people are not entirely known depending on the group you ask. I have spoken with Senior Citizens who still to this day don't know Elon Musk. Likewise I have worked with immigrant families that also don't pay attention to his antics and so don't have an association with Tesla/That Space company with him. Now does the CIA have a program that tracks and ensures that that anyone even remotely famous can be dealt with? With their resources why not? But without evidence it is just conspiracy. Did they see someone like AOC coming? She came out the blue because even she didn't expect to win the election that had no national coverage whatsoever. I'm sure they got her under their control now but this begs the question. Maybe it is possible to secretly gather the resources and power to make effective change without getting their attention in the short term. I'm probably on their radar now though. :P What they have now probably makes the Snowden revelations seem like Windows 95. I bet they have formed mental models of each American mind and can "predict" the dissenters ahead of time.

Sebguer 5y ago
Community organizer that went to a school that literally brags about having former CIA agents as staff on its faculty? Yeah, I think AOC was on their radar.
- nebula8804 5y ago
  I heard this conspiracy theory coming from Bernie supporters who are burned out as well as Trump supporters. Its quite a stretch.
  - boomboomsubban 5y ago
    The intelligence agencies have a fairly rich history of infiltrating the far left and far right. How influential they were in any events is unknown, but they almost certainly kept tabs on what every group was doing.
    - nebula8804 5y ago
      Agreed. I bet they were looking into Justice Democrats as soon as they started. I just wonder how serious they were taking it before one of their candidates actually won. It certainly seems like as AOC got more popular, she seems to have gotten co-opted. I followed her extremely closely in the the run up to her win. Her personality has completely changed. Part of this I attribute to her party constantly being on her neck but there might be something else at play.
  - Sebguer 5y ago
    The conspiracy theory is that she actually worked for the CIA, I'm very much not claiming that. I don't think it's even remotely conspiratorial to think that she was known to them.
Spooky23 5y ago
She came out of the blue because she ran against an old school, Irish political machine family candidate (Crowley) who didn’t notice that his district was no longer Irish/Italian, as they have moved away or died. My grandma loved Crowley in the early 80s when he was a city council guy kissing babies at catholic events. Fast forward 30 years, and younger Hispanics voted for the Hispanic candidate. If the CIA has some magic power to make arrogant political people act like political people, they must have been around since Ancient Greek times.

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