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By developing ? I'm sure this isn't a good answer but I'd written tons of hobby programs before I got my first developer job. Not because someday I wanted a jo

By developing ? I'm sure this isn't a good answer but I'd written tons of hobby programs before I got my first developer job. Not because someday I wanted a job but because I actually enjoyed programming and creating things on the computer. If you don't enjoy it or do enjoy it but don't have the time to do it outside of work I don't know what to suggest. I get that might be considered "no fair". I guess maybe you can become a doctor or lawyer without doing doctoring or lawyering in your spare time? But can you become an artist? I feel like most successful artists (video game artists, fashion designers, graphic designers, motion graphics editors) won't get the experience and job by just taking a crash course and then applying. You get in by showing a portfolio of art you've created. Programming might not be similar to art but it feels like getting in is similar, you show a portfolio of stuff you've created. And via this creation you learn much of the stuff you need to pass the interviews have stuff to show.

paulcole 5y ago
> Programming might not be similar to art but it feels like getting in is similar, you show a portfolio of stuff you've created. Isn’t this just based on your own experiences and biases and the way things have been done historically because developers have mostly been people who had access to computers as kids/teenagers/college students? > If you don't enjoy it or do enjoy it but don't have the time to do it outside of work I don't know what to suggest. Maybe a bootcamp to get the basic skills and then seek out an entry-level job?
- strix_varius 5y ago
  > Isn’t this just based on your own experiences and biases and the way things have been done historically because developers have mostly been people who had access to computers as kids/teenagers/college students? A dev-ready laptop can be had for less than $300; significantly cheaper than any bootcamp or university. Why would you attempt to invalidate another’s success by insinuating that it’s due to gatekeeping or privilege that just isn’t there?

paulcole 5y ago

> Programming might not be similar to art but it feels like getting in is similar, you show a portfolio of stuff you've created. Isn’t this just based on your own experiences and biases and the way things have been done historically because developers have mostly been people who had access to computers as kids/teenagers/college students? > If you don't enjoy it or do enjoy it but don't have the time to do it outside of work I don't know what to suggest. Maybe a bootcamp to get the basic skills and then seek out an entry-level job?

strix_varius 5y ago
> Isn’t this just based on your own experiences and biases and the way things have been done historically because developers have mostly been people who had access to computers as kids/teenagers/college students? A dev-ready laptop can be had for less than $300; significantly cheaper than any bootcamp or university. Why would you attempt to invalidate another’s success by insinuating that it’s due to gatekeeping or privilege that just isn’t there?