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I don't disagree with you but that last bit was quite unnecessary.

by djhn 5y ago

soylentnewsorg 5y ago
That last part is the most important point - the main point. Your comment shows the exact issue as the "you don't need a dislike button because our AI knows better." You read my post, you read all the comments on here with users either jumping through hoops or ditching the product, you read the comment like what I replied to saying "we know what you need better than you do." That last bit is a person thinking some crap code they wrote can figure out why someone doesn't want to listen to a song at a particular time. They ignore all the inputs into that decision - how tired they are, what day they had, are they angry at something, have they heard it on another medium recently. Then ignore all that data they don't have, and have the AI make the decision: did you skip after 20 seconds? If you did, let's cut this genre out of your playlist. This little thing, destroyed spotify's recommendation product. The people in charge of this, are going to destroy everything they touch, because they think their little piece of code, is smarter than the user, about what the user wants. You know, because the user can't code. People making these decisions - well all I can say is I've met them. I've been personal friends with some. They have been passed up for jobs when I get called for a reference check. Because once they're on your team, they'll destroy your product, so they can feel personally superior. So that last part is very necessary, because it's an extremely serious issue, exactly as I put it. But in your opinion it's not, so let's cut that part out because it's not necessary for what I was saying. Because you know better than me what I was trying to say. <dislike>
spurgu 5y ago
Not necessarily, if he otherwise were to leave and go screw up another company's product without ever learning his lesson.
onecommentman 5y ago
Some people get very, um, engaged with the universe of sound they wish to live in and have much stronger opinions about that than, say, world hunger. It directly impacts their experienced quality of life, and is one of the few cultural constants they retain over the course of their entire life. Lovers, employment, friends come and go but the music remains. I may be one of them myself. Profanity generally results when it is mucked around with. Count yourself lucky the opinion was expressed as mildly as it was. I will not permit a company/algorithm to directly determine what I want to hear. I’m old enough to know about the Payola scams with radio DJs to trust anyone with that authority. My solution: buy CDs or vinyl, find a group of like-minded friends to share music recommendations (email newsletters would work, perhaps even…physical interaction), read music journalism, buy music online and build your personal library. Just the music on my hard drive, all directly and legally purchased, would play continuously half a year without repeats. I use/used the Apple iTunes others-have-bought recommendations for tracks related to tracks I’d purchase. Invaluable for discovering alternative artists by someone who is nowhere near the target age demographic for that sort of music. And you buy the flippin’ track and you know the artist/rights holder is directly getting a reasonable number of pennies from that transaction. Worst case — buy CDs and get a CD changer. New ones are still being sold. You can still get the 300-400 CD units used. No fans are more rabid than classical music fans, and they are still ecstatically buying huge boxed sets of CDs. They are expecting to listen to these tracks for decades, and there is wisdom there.

I don't disagree with you but that last bit was quite unnecessary.

by djhn 5y ago

I don't disagree with you but that last bit was quite unnecessary.

That last part is the most important point - the main point. Your comment shows the exact issue as the "you don't need a dislike button because our AI knows better." You read my post, you read all the comments on here with users either jumping through hoops or ditching the product, you read the comment like what I replied to saying "we know what you need better than you do." That last bit is a person thinking some crap code they wrote can figure out why someone doesn't want to listen to a song at a particular time. They ignore all the inputs into that decision - how tired they are, what day they had, are they angry at something, have they heard it on another medium recently. Then ignore all that data they don't have, and have the AI make the decision: did you skip after 20 seconds? If you did, let's cut this genre out of your playlist. This little thing, destroyed spotify's recommendation product. The people in charge of this, are going to destroy everything they touch, because they think their little piece of code, is smarter than the user, about what the user wants. You know, because the user can't code. People making these decisions - well all I can say is I've met them. I've been personal friends with some. They have been passed up for jobs when I get called for a reference check. Because once they're on your team, they'll destroy your product, so they can feel personally superior. So that last part is very necessary, because it's an extremely serious issue, exactly as I put it. But in your opinion it's not, so let's cut that part out because it's not necessary for what I was saying. Because you know better than me what I was trying to say. <dislike>

spurgu 5y ago

Not necessarily, if he otherwise were to leave and go screw up another company's product without ever learning his lesson.

onecommentman 5y ago

Some people get very, um, engaged with the universe of sound they wish to live in and have much stronger opinions about that than, say, world hunger. It directly impacts their experienced quality of life, and is one of the few cultural constants they retain over the course of their entire life. Lovers, employment, friends come and go but the music remains. I may be one of them myself. Profanity generally results when it is mucked around with. Count yourself lucky the opinion was expressed as mildly as it was. I will not permit a company/algorithm to directly determine what I want to hear. I’m old enough to know about the Payola scams with radio DJs to trust anyone with that authority. My solution: buy CDs or vinyl, find a group of like-minded friends to share music recommendations (email newsletters would work, perhaps even…physical interaction), read music journalism, buy music online and build your personal library. Just the music on my hard drive, all directly and legally purchased, would play continuously half a year without repeats. I use/used the Apple iTunes others-have-bought recommendations for tracks related to tracks I’d purchase. Invaluable for discovering alternative artists by someone who is nowhere near the target age demographic for that sort of music. And you buy the flippin’ track and you know the artist/rights holder is directly getting a reasonable number of pennies from that transaction. Worst case — buy CDs and get a CD changer. New ones are still being sold. You can still get the 300-400 CD units used. No fans are more rabid than classical music fans, and they are still ecstatically buying huge boxed sets of CDs. They are expecting to listen to these tracks for decades, and there is wisdom there.