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Obama killed more people than all three of the names you cite. In fact he killed more than all the world leaders combined during his temure. In fact he was the

Obama killed more people than all three of the names you cite. In fact he killed more than all the world leaders combined during his temure. In fact he was the first Nobel Peace Prize recipient to kill another recipient. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors-without-borders-bombing_n_5615690ce4b021e856d33d51 https://www.huffpost.com/entry/doctors-without-borders-bombi... He killed american citizens without due process and get it a beatiful Orwellian name: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disposition_Matrix He even killed a 16 year old American: https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-old-american-in-yemen-trump-just-killed-his-8-year-old-sister/ https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/obama-killed-a-16-year-o... Obama created the world’s largest surveillance state. He illegally spied on US citizens and his administration constantly lied to Congress about in testimony under oath. He put kids in cages. He deported more people than all American Presidents ever. He did not fire anyone who tortured people. He kept Guantanamo bay open. The worlds largest prison population (aka forced prison labor or concentration camp) increased under his tenure. He illegally spied on members of Congress and the opposition. https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/07/31/336855226/cia-chief-apologizes-sens-feinstein-chambliss-over-computer-intrusion https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/07/31/336855226... So is that good leadership to you?

eynsham 5y ago
Lots of these specific claims are correct, though I’m not really sure how you get > Obama killed more people than all three of the names you cite and indeed that’s sufficiently vague and open to quibbling that I’m not surprised you give a source (and the truth of this would likely be resolved on dubious definitional grounds rather than anything more generally meaningful). I suppose the other question is this: what relation does this have to the parent comment? Of course Obama is I suppose a fairly good example of a liberal, but he’s not the only one, and it’s quite plausible that he did these things qua president of the American Empire (not a ‘liberal’ position) rather than qua a liberal; compare, say, Icelandic or Zambian liberalism, which, not being attached to great imperial apparatuses, don’t tend to do this sort of thing.

eynsham 5y ago

Lots of these specific claims are correct, though I’m not really sure how you get > Obama killed more people than all three of the names you cite and indeed that’s sufficiently vague and open to quibbling that I’m not surprised you give a source (and the truth of this would likely be resolved on dubious definitional grounds rather than anything more generally meaningful). I suppose the other question is this: what relation does this have to the parent comment? Of course Obama is I suppose a fairly good example of a liberal, but he’s not the only one, and it’s quite plausible that he did these things qua president of the American Empire (not a ‘liberal’ position) rather than qua a liberal; compare, say, Icelandic or Zambian liberalism, which, not being attached to great imperial apparatuses, don’t tend to do this sort of thing.