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Fact: United States is the #1 provider of foreign aid on the plantet [1] -- That fact is not compatible with the assertion of focusing on self only. -- to y

Fact: United States is the #1 provider of foreign aid on the plantet [1] -- That fact is not compatible with the assertion of focusing on self only. -- to your point: Sure. But as so often happens the only disagreement we really have is the level at which aid is given. Shall we not just give away everything for the greater good until we have nothing left? I don't suppose to have perfect knowledge of the exactly balance we can give with out reducing our self to a position of requiring then help from others. It's dishonest to ignore all the aid we give around the world. So if giving the most aid of any country is not enough... What amount is enough? [1] https://www.wristband.com/content/which-countries-provide-receive-most-foreign-aid/ https://www.wristband.com/content/which-countries-provide-re...

maxerickson 5y ago
It's pretty likely that giving away many more covid vaccines would have been a net benefit to the material wealth of the US, so this is sort of a diversion, talking about other aid that doesn't have the same dynamic (vaccines are cheap and carry huge benefits).
- TrispusAttucks 5y ago
  Look. Your mind is made up. I don't wanna watch a bunch of axe grinding. The USA is evil in your book. No amount of logic will convince you. A bunch of pharmacies threw out expired vaccine doses. Obviously there is a sinister conspiracy here. /s
  - maxerickson 5y ago
    Don't presume to speak my thoughts. I don't think the US is evil, I think people have a poor understanding of how little it would cost to help the rest of the world a lot more with vaccination and am disappointed that we are not doing it.
mistermann 5y ago
> But as so often happens the only disagreement we really have is the level at which aid is given. > Shall we not just give away everything for the greater good until we have nothing left? It's not the disagreement that I find interesting, it's the consistency between the claimed ideology (and the self-righteous, hyper-confident manner in which it is often delivered) preached by The Righteous when it comes to certain parts of COVID, combined with the "That's different/Whataboutism!" card that is played when things are not quite to the liking of these people, or the interesting way in which they calculate "selfishness" with 100% confidence in their correctness, while typically being unable/unwilling to give even a pseudocode explanation of how they calculate it. > It's dishonest to ignore all the aid we give around the world. I am not denying that America is the most generous nation on the planet, it is the self-righteous and hypocritical attitude of many Americans that I think is interesting. > What amount is enough? I think one's walk should match one's talk.
- TrispusAttucks 5y ago
  There is no real substance in this response. Your argument has run out of steam and has no legs to stand on. There is so much incoherence that it's not worth refuting. I believe you to be a good person though and I wish you the best.
  - mistermann 5y ago
    This may be the most interesting response I have ever gotten on HN, and I have seen some doozies.
    - TrispusAttucks 5y ago
      I doubt this is a compliment. I truly don't see how I can constructively respond to your previous post. We have reached an impasse and I wish you the best.
      - mistermann 5y ago
        It is a compliment in some sense of the word.

maxerickson 5y ago

It's pretty likely that giving away many more covid vaccines would have been a net benefit to the material wealth of the US, so this is sort of a diversion, talking about other aid that doesn't have the same dynamic (vaccines are cheap and carry huge benefits).

TrispusAttucks 5y ago
Look. Your mind is made up. I don't wanna watch a bunch of axe grinding. The USA is evil in your book. No amount of logic will convince you. A bunch of pharmacies threw out expired vaccine doses. Obviously there is a sinister conspiracy here. /s
- maxerickson 5y ago
  Don't presume to speak my thoughts. I don't think the US is evil, I think people have a poor understanding of how little it would cost to help the rest of the world a lot more with vaccination and am disappointed that we are not doing it.

mistermann 5y ago

> But as so often happens the only disagreement we really have is the level at which aid is given. > Shall we not just give away everything for the greater good until we have nothing left? It's not the disagreement that I find interesting, it's the consistency between the claimed ideology (and the self-righteous, hyper-confident manner in which it is often delivered) preached by The Righteous when it comes to certain parts of COVID, combined with the "That's different/Whataboutism!" card that is played when things are not quite to the liking of these people, or the interesting way in which they calculate "selfishness" with 100% confidence in their correctness, while typically being unable/unwilling to give even a pseudocode explanation of how they calculate it. > It's dishonest to ignore all the aid we give around the world. I am not denying that America is the most generous nation on the planet, it is the self-righteous and hypocritical attitude of many Americans that I think is interesting. > What amount is enough? I think one's walk should match one's talk.

TrispusAttucks 5y ago
There is no real substance in this response. Your argument has run out of steam and has no legs to stand on. There is so much incoherence that it's not worth refuting. I believe you to be a good person though and I wish you the best.
- mistermann 5y ago
  This may be the most interesting response I have ever gotten on HN, and I have seen some doozies.
  - TrispusAttucks 5y ago
    I doubt this is a compliment. I truly don't see how I can constructively respond to your previous post. We have reached an impasse and I wish you the best.
    - mistermann 5y ago
      It is a compliment in some sense of the word.