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I'd love to see how one comes to these number. $0.75 is either very expensive flour, or a very large loaf sold too cheaply. Adding seeds (at what, 5-10% of the
by phonypc 5y ago
I'd love to see how one comes to these number. $0.75 is either very expensive flour, or a very large loaf sold too cheaply. Adding seeds (at what, 5-10% of the weight of the flour?) to a loaf doubles the ingredient cost? Glancing at bulk commercial prices, sesame seeds added at (the unrealistically high) 20% of a loaf made with 500g flour should be about $0.29. Poppy seeds almost gets you there if you use the unusually high 2018 price, at $0.65.
$3 of bulk part-skim mozzarella is generously something like 250g worth. That's skimpy for a large pizza. The rest of the ingredients for this "good" pizza are free?
A bakery that's throwing out too much is baking too much, or there's no market for their bread. That's nothing to do with the margin on bread being thin. Small profitable bakeries are ubiquitous where there's a market for them. See: France.
- i_am_proteus 5y agoTypically the method used to get these numbers is arithmetic. HG flour is $22 per 50# wholesale, bulk, delivered. Organic HG is $48 for the same. A bag of flour is about 30 loaves (we scale recipes to the 50# bag). Typically the artisanal seed stuff will get the higher grade flour. Shredded mozzarella is $52 per 20# wholesale, bulk, delivered. Et cetera. Certainly if you are in a different market, the economics could be different. Hope this helps you understand.
- phonypc 5y agoOkay. What I'm gathering from this is that if one tries to sell artisan bread at prices competitive with Wonderbread, and overcharges for bottom-barrel pizza cheese, one might fall under the illusion that low margin items are high and vice versa. Excuse my spiciness, but you did just hit me with that arithmetic quip.
- i_am_proteus 5y agoThe cheese is good quality. These are the real economics of the market in a major USA East Coast city. My friend's been profitable for decades. Grocers out here sell pretty good loaves as loss leaders; you can call something artisanal all day long, but if you're charging too much, you're not competitive.
- esyir 5y agoA 5 buck loaf is certainly not in the wonderbread territory. Its both a mix of far more expensive and smaller in size.
- phonypc 5y agoA $3 loaf was described above. 50lb bag of flour making 30 loaves. At a pretty standard 60% hydration, the resulting loaf is both heavier and cheaper by weight than a loaf of Wonderbread usually is. I suppose it could end up substantially smaller in volume if poorly made.
- slyall 5y agoWhen I worked at in an in-store Supermarket Bakery years ago the target gross profit was 70%. So a $1 loaf would have 30 cents worth of ingredients.