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No one that I'm aware of ever complained that vaccines had to be paid the (low) cost of production. What's at issue is keeping the doses for yourself until you

No one that I'm aware of ever complained that vaccines had to be paid the (low) cost of production. What's at issue is keeping the doses for yourself until you don't need them, instead of sharing the doses at the outset. 500 million dollars of charity while I'm sure is appreciated is worth a lot less than timely vaccinations of the most vulnerable.

throwaway894345 5y ago
> What's at issue is keeping the doses for yourself until you don't need them, instead of sharing the doses at the outset. Letting vaccine go to waste is a bad look, but realistically it's probably just logistically more expensive to collect all of the unused vaccine from all over the US and get it shipped to the right places than it is to get new supply delivered directly to those countries. > 500 million dollars of charity while I'm sure is appreciated is worth a lot less than timely vaccinations of the most vulnerable. It's not "500 million dollars", it's 1 billion doses plus working out the delivery and distribution logistics. Moreover, it's supremely unfair to criticize the US for failing to donate the vaccines sooner when the US is donating them far sooner than all other countries combined. Yes, like every other country, the US prioritized its own citizens, but unlike any other country, it's gone above and beyond to vaccinate the poorest countries as quickly as possible. There's plenty of valid stuff to criticize about the US (e.g., climate policy), but the US nailed vaccine policy.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  You don't need to collect them from every pharmacy, you collect them from distribution centers and cut supply to pharmacies to be in line with use instead of increasing while use is decreasing. The US has not delivered 1 billion doses. It has only delivered 100 or so million. Of those, it has not worked out the distribution logistics, I assure you those countries still had to do the legwork. I have you five examples of countries that did not withhold their exports untill they had saturated their demand. The US is the only country that refused exports untill it literally couldn't use vaccines anymore.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    > The US has not delivered 1 billion doses. It has only delivered 100 or so million. Agreed, 1 billion were pledged. Hundreds of millions have been delivered. In either case, that's more than all other countries combined. > Of those, it has not worked out the distribution logistics, I assure you those countries still had to do the legwork. It was a partnership, but the US is making sure vaccine pledges are actually being administered while other rich countries are faltering. The US is even partnering with the EU so that the EU can use the US logistics framework to realize their pledges. > I have you five examples of countries that did not withhold their exports untill they had saturated their demand. The US is the only country that refused exports untill it literally couldn't use vaccines anymore. You're repeating the same lies here again: 1. We're talking about donations, not exports 2. The US didn't prevent exports

throwaway894345 5y ago

> What's at issue is keeping the doses for yourself until you don't need them, instead of sharing the doses at the outset. Letting vaccine go to waste is a bad look, but realistically it's probably just logistically more expensive to collect all of the unused vaccine from all over the US and get it shipped to the right places than it is to get new supply delivered directly to those countries. > 500 million dollars of charity while I'm sure is appreciated is worth a lot less than timely vaccinations of the most vulnerable. It's not "500 million dollars", it's 1 billion doses plus working out the delivery and distribution logistics. Moreover, it's supremely unfair to criticize the US for failing to donate the vaccines sooner when the US is donating them far sooner than all other countries combined. Yes, like every other country, the US prioritized its own citizens, but unlike any other country, it's gone above and beyond to vaccinate the poorest countries as quickly as possible. There's plenty of valid stuff to criticize about the US (e.g., climate policy), but the US nailed vaccine policy.

sudosysgen 5y ago
You don't need to collect them from every pharmacy, you collect them from distribution centers and cut supply to pharmacies to be in line with use instead of increasing while use is decreasing. The US has not delivered 1 billion doses. It has only delivered 100 or so million. Of those, it has not worked out the distribution logistics, I assure you those countries still had to do the legwork. I have you five examples of countries that did not withhold their exports untill they had saturated their demand. The US is the only country that refused exports untill it literally couldn't use vaccines anymore.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  > The US has not delivered 1 billion doses. It has only delivered 100 or so million. Agreed, 1 billion were pledged. Hundreds of millions have been delivered. In either case, that's more than all other countries combined. > Of those, it has not worked out the distribution logistics, I assure you those countries still had to do the legwork. It was a partnership, but the US is making sure vaccine pledges are actually being administered while other rich countries are faltering. The US is even partnering with the EU so that the EU can use the US logistics framework to realize their pledges. > I have you five examples of countries that did not withhold their exports untill they had saturated their demand. The US is the only country that refused exports untill it literally couldn't use vaccines anymore. You're repeating the same lies here again: 1. We're talking about donations, not exports 2. The US didn't prevent exports