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Probably risky to say it here but I think liberal media has two contradictory forces to deal with 1) Can't say anything pro-US due to association with right-win

Probably risky to say it here but I think liberal media has two contradictory forces to deal with 1) Can't say anything pro-US due to association with right-wing media 2) Can't remain 100% factual as clickrate metrics dwindle. Not saying they're not factual (mostly they are), just that they have editorial bias that serves the readership while also having to state facts (some of them are pro-US). Edit: @simonh - Agreed, Right wing media is completely off the rails, but not sure we need to compare here. I wasn't advocating it.

simonh 5y ago
As against right wing media, which suffers no biases and is a paragon of objective impartiality. Look, I'm a serial conservative voting Brit. I'm no leftie, but OMG Fox News and the Daily Mail take the biscuit. In the unlikely event I ever were to vote left, one of those is far more likely to push me over the edge than the Guardian.
- l33t2328 5y ago
  I’m not sure why you think that comparison was warranted.
- sdhfjujkh 5y ago
  You're the only one bringing up right wing media.
- moron4hire 5y ago
  Yeah, I don't let the "but he did it first" excuse fly with my kids, I'm certainly not letting it fly with the media.
sudosysgen 5y ago
That could be possible. Or, more likely: The headline is actually correct, and the nuance in the article only serves to explain but on the balance does not justify the US throwing out doses. This is made a lot more likely by the fact that the US is the only country that refuses to export vaccines and by the fact that other countries have exported unused doses.
- erikerikson 5y ago
  Something I have no knowledge of that the article could have mentioned precedent for is the expected waste observed in existing vaccination efforts. How much shrinkage due to the factors involved with "wasted" COVID vaccines is there with the flu vaccine which is not in a phase of initial scarcity? What is the prior and how different is the observation in this case?
WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
News orgs bring issues to our attention. I can't think of a more important reason for them to exist. The alt to reporting issues is "good news" reporting. We tried it for years and it was mostly vapid milquetoast. I was glad to see it go. I think follow-up stories to earlier issues works tho. Some of those will be positive. note: The modern form of GNR is where the press parrots PR by biz/gov/leo - usually without any analysis.
- spectramax 5y ago
  Disagree. News orgs exist to inform of facts. Positive facts allow us to double down on what works. Negative facts allow us to inspect what went wrong.
  - WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
    I think without some weight of newsworthiness, this synopsis is incomplete. It's awesome that a pumpkin patch 2 counties away raised $52.40 but it doesn't serve me as well as learning my legislator passed laws that harm me - in trade for fat campaign donations.
iszomer 5y ago
I think it's better to view both independent left and ring wing media sources for balance and/or clarity but remain vigilant on said "editorial bias".

simonh 5y ago

As against right wing media, which suffers no biases and is a paragon of objective impartiality. Look, I'm a serial conservative voting Brit. I'm no leftie, but OMG Fox News and the Daily Mail take the biscuit. In the unlikely event I ever were to vote left, one of those is far more likely to push me over the edge than the Guardian.

l33t2328 5y ago
I’m not sure why you think that comparison was warranted.
sdhfjujkh 5y ago
You're the only one bringing up right wing media.
moron4hire 5y ago
Yeah, I don't let the "but he did it first" excuse fly with my kids, I'm certainly not letting it fly with the media.

sudosysgen 5y ago

That could be possible. Or, more likely: The headline is actually correct, and the nuance in the article only serves to explain but on the balance does not justify the US throwing out doses. This is made a lot more likely by the fact that the US is the only country that refuses to export vaccines and by the fact that other countries have exported unused doses.

erikerikson 5y ago
Something I have no knowledge of that the article could have mentioned precedent for is the expected waste observed in existing vaccination efforts. How much shrinkage due to the factors involved with "wasted" COVID vaccines is there with the flu vaccine which is not in a phase of initial scarcity? What is the prior and how different is the observation in this case?

WarOnPrivacy 5y ago

News orgs bring issues to our attention. I can't think of a more important reason for them to exist. The alt to reporting issues is "good news" reporting. We tried it for years and it was mostly vapid milquetoast. I was glad to see it go. I think follow-up stories to earlier issues works tho. Some of those will be positive. note: The modern form of GNR is where the press parrots PR by biz/gov/leo - usually without any analysis.

spectramax 5y ago
Disagree. News orgs exist to inform of facts. Positive facts allow us to double down on what works. Negative facts allow us to inspect what went wrong.
- WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
  I think without some weight of newsworthiness, this synopsis is incomplete. It's awesome that a pumpkin patch 2 counties away raised $52.40 but it doesn't serve me as well as learning my legislator passed laws that harm me - in trade for fat campaign donations.

iszomer 5y ago

I think it's better to view both independent left and ring wing media sources for balance and/or clarity but remain vigilant on said "editorial bias".