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What do you do when you have close to 50/50 power dynamic and both sides think the other is stupid?

InTheArena 5y ago
Bonhoeffer's day shows the answer. The fascists and the communists were at war in Germany. The communists tried to take over the government in the 1910s, and early 1920s. The Nazis succeeded in the 1930s. Given the history of soviet communist regimes - I suspect the communists would have done what the fascists did - put people opposed to them to death.
evolve2k 5y ago
Both are likely infected, each full with slogans and jargon.
- teddyh 5y ago
  Yes, but what do you do?
  - achenet 5y ago
    Try to help them understand each other.
    - greenail 5y ago
      But the premise of Bonhoeffer's theory predicts this will fall on deaf ears.
  - hirako2000 5y ago
    You tell both sides to at least leave you in peace, and you watch out since they will likely not agree with you.
  - 13415 5y ago
    As an Epicurean, nothing. Avoid all of this like the plague, interact only with close friends and do not engage in politics and "power play." Spent your time on what matters to you.
  - France_is_bacon 5y ago
    Get the hell out of Dodge when the fireworks start. Canada, Mexico, somewhere else. Just like in Germany, the Jews who foresaw the dangers in time and got out in time survived. The Jews who stayed, well, we all know how that story ended. Jews who stayed because they had good businesses, good job, good house, didn't want to disrupt their kids' life, trusted that the goodness of everyday Germans who wouldn't let it happen..... Get out in time, before the sh-t goes down.
AnimalMuppet 5y ago
Both are probably right. There's probably enough stupidity to go around, so that neither side suffers a shortage.
breakyerself 5y ago
Can we identify if both sides are actually stupid or is that just the perception of both sides?
- mistermann 5y ago
  It isn't difficult to identify some "stupidity" in most any ideology, but managing to get a member of an ideology to acknowledge that it is true/relevant/etc is extremely difficult. I suspect some much better approach is out there, but we seem to not have found it (perhaps because we aren't really trying to find it).

Bonhoeffer's day shows the answer. The fascists and the communists were at war in Germany. The communists tried to take over the government in the 1910s, and early 1920s. The Nazis succeeded in the 1930s. Given the history of soviet communist regimes - I suspect the communists would have done what the fascists did - put people opposed to them to death.

evolve2k 5y ago

Both are likely infected, each full with slogans and jargon.

teddyh 5y ago
Yes, but what do you do?
- achenet 5y ago
  Try to help them understand each other.
  - greenail 5y ago
    But the premise of Bonhoeffer's theory predicts this will fall on deaf ears.
- hirako2000 5y ago
  You tell both sides to at least leave you in peace, and you watch out since they will likely not agree with you.
- 13415 5y ago
  As an Epicurean, nothing. Avoid all of this like the plague, interact only with close friends and do not engage in politics and "power play." Spent your time on what matters to you.
- France_is_bacon 5y ago
  Get the hell out of Dodge when the fireworks start. Canada, Mexico, somewhere else. Just like in Germany, the Jews who foresaw the dangers in time and got out in time survived. The Jews who stayed, well, we all know how that story ended. Jews who stayed because they had good businesses, good job, good house, didn't want to disrupt their kids' life, trusted that the goodness of everyday Germans who wouldn't let it happen..... Get out in time, before the sh-t goes down.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

Both are probably right. There's probably enough stupidity to go around, so that neither side suffers a shortage.

breakyerself 5y ago

Can we identify if both sides are actually stupid or is that just the perception of both sides?

mistermann 5y ago
It isn't difficult to identify some "stupidity" in most any ideology, but managing to get a member of an ideology to acknowledge that it is true/relevant/etc is extremely difficult. I suspect some much better approach is out there, but we seem to not have found it (perhaps because we aren't really trying to find it).