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Do those run or are supported on fairphone? The only thing I found when googling "fairphone4 alternative OS" was mentions of /e/.

seba_dos1 5y ago
They don't, and even when they do it's on top of Android. In turn, pmOS runs on FP3 using Linux 4.9, for instance.
- Fnoord 5y ago
  These OSes don't run on top of Android or AOSP. Some of them don't even have emulation for Android.
  - seba_dos1 5y ago
    They do. That's what Halium and libhybris are for - so you can run GNU/Linux userspace on top of Android's HAL. You can't take a mainline (or even close to mainline) kernel and boot it on these phones - or at least not when you expect them to still be somewhat useful. The mainline kernel has no support for any Fairphone at all so far (some support seems to begin appearing for FP4, but not for earlier ones). A good litmus test on whether a device doesn't rely on Android is whether Mobian supports it, since Mobian doesn't intend to support Halium platforms: https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=devices https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=devices (also, I just noticed that you actually listed Mobian as working on the Fairphone in one of your previous comments - that of course isn't true)
    - Fnoord 5y ago
      Our definition of running under Android differs.
Fnoord 5y ago
FP4 isn't even officially released yet (and when it is, there's delivery time), while devs don't get the device before release. They need to buy it just like the rest of us. However, the previous Fairphones ran all kind of OSes, including the ones I mentioned. In fact, I believe Fairphone was the first smartphone to run on some of these (IIRC pmOS, UT). Given the device gets support for 5 years (including software updates) that's gonna be a while where devs can support it, and where it gets (supposedly) firmware updates for the embedded chips as well.

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Do those run or are supported on fairphone? The only thing I found when googling "fairphone4 alternative OS" was mentions of /e/.

by SahAssar 5y ago

seba_dos1 5y ago
They don't, and even when they do it's on top of Android. In turn, pmOS runs on FP3 using Linux 4.9, for instance.
- Fnoord 5y ago
  These OSes don't run on top of Android or AOSP. Some of them don't even have emulation for Android.
  - seba_dos1 5y ago
    They do. That's what Halium and libhybris are for - so you can run GNU/Linux userspace on top of Android's HAL. You can't take a mainline (or even close to mainline) kernel and boot it on these phones - or at least not when you expect them to still be somewhat useful. The mainline kernel has no support for any Fairphone at all so far (some support seems to begin appearing for FP4, but not for earlier ones). A good litmus test on whether a device doesn't rely on Android is whether Mobian supports it, since Mobian doesn't intend to support Halium platforms: https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=devices https://wiki.mobian-project.org/doku.php?id=devices (also, I just noticed that you actually listed Mobian as working on the Fairphone in one of your previous comments - that of course isn't true)
    - Fnoord 5y ago
      Our definition of running under Android differs.
Fnoord 5y ago
FP4 isn't even officially released yet (and when it is, there's delivery time), while devs don't get the device before release. They need to buy it just like the rest of us. However, the previous Fairphones ran all kind of OSes, including the ones I mentioned. In fact, I believe Fairphone was the first smartphone to run on some of these (IIRC pmOS, UT). Given the device gets support for 5 years (including software updates) that's gonna be a while where devs can support it, and where it gets (supposedly) firmware updates for the embedded chips as well.