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Thunderbolt is Intel's proprietary technology, I don't think AMD will ever have that. I think you'll have to wait for USB-4 if the current speeds really aren't

Thunderbolt is Intel's proprietary technology, I don't think AMD will ever have that. I think you'll have to wait for USB-4 if the current speeds really aren't enough.

chx 5y ago
Oh of course, I didn't want to go into that detail but trust me I know all that, TB3 got donated to USB IF, it became USB 4 with a few extras (most importantly the USB packets on the bus). And then Intel took USB 4 and put a marketing name on "USB 4 with every optional feature on" and called it Thunderbolt 4. And yes, likely next year, AMD will have USB 4 but -- not right now. And the problem is not exactly the bus speed -- although 10Gpbs is not that much -- but the lack of external PCI Express (or any other DMA capable protocol but the last non-PCIe tech doing that was Firewire and that's gone).
Tsiklon 5y ago
Not necessarily so, ASUS as an example has released an AMD board equipped with thunderbolt 4 in the form of the B550 ProArt. In a laptop it’s perhaps a bit more problematic until USB-4 comes along in greater volumes, but by then Thunderbolt and USB-4 will be the same thing
- chx 5y ago
  > but by then Thunderbolt and USB-4 will be the same thing see my reply below -- it already is. sorta.
christophilus 5y ago
The M1 Apple lineup has thunderbolt support, so I don’t see why an AMD laptop couldn’t do the same?
- bitwize 5y ago
  Because OEMs would give their left nut to sell to Apple, and that just isn't true of, say, Dell or Asus. Intel lost Apple as a customer for their CPUs, but they would bend or break the rules to license Thunderbolt to Apple even without an Intel CPU... because Apple is Apple, the company that invented personal computing and that has been the driver of every revolution in the industry since.
- chx 5y ago
  Because Apple implemented an USB 4 controller. Asmedia, due to covid, didn't finish in time for AMD this time around. It was scheduled for late 2020. https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asmedia-600-chipset-family-for-zen-3-available-in-late-2020.html https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asmedia-600-chipset-family...

Thunderbolt is Intel's proprietary technology, I don't think AMD will ever have that. I think you'll have to wait for USB-4 if the current speeds really aren't enough.

chx 5y ago

Oh of course, I didn't want to go into that detail but trust me I know all that, TB3 got donated to USB IF, it became USB 4 with a few extras (most importantly the USB packets on the bus). And then Intel took USB 4 and put a marketing name on "USB 4 with every optional feature on" and called it Thunderbolt 4. And yes, likely next year, AMD will have USB 4 but -- not right now. And the problem is not exactly the bus speed -- although 10Gpbs is not that much -- but the lack of external PCI Express (or any other DMA capable protocol but the last non-PCIe tech doing that was Firewire and that's gone).

Tsiklon 5y ago

Not necessarily so, ASUS as an example has released an AMD board equipped with thunderbolt 4 in the form of the B550 ProArt. In a laptop it’s perhaps a bit more problematic until USB-4 comes along in greater volumes, but by then Thunderbolt and USB-4 will be the same thing

chx 5y ago
> but by then Thunderbolt and USB-4 will be the same thing see my reply below -- it already is. sorta.

christophilus 5y ago

The M1 Apple lineup has thunderbolt support, so I don’t see why an AMD laptop couldn’t do the same?

bitwize 5y ago
Because OEMs would give their left nut to sell to Apple, and that just isn't true of, say, Dell or Asus. Intel lost Apple as a customer for their CPUs, but they would bend or break the rules to license Thunderbolt to Apple even without an Intel CPU... because Apple is Apple, the company that invented personal computing and that has been the driver of every revolution in the industry since.
chx 5y ago
Because Apple implemented an USB 4 controller. Asmedia, due to covid, didn't finish in time for AMD this time around. It was scheduled for late 2020. https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asmedia-600-chipset-family-for-zen-3-available-in-late-2020.html https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/asmedia-600-chipset-family...