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> get critical Windows Updates So you mean Microsoft can force your laptop to restart and lose all your work even when it's "off"? Amazing.

by tomp 5y ago

ChuckNorris89 5y ago
Not all windows updates require reboots.
- lucumo 5y ago
  Most don't even.
mavhc 5y ago
Quite a lot more stuff supports auto resume after reboot, including unsaved Notepad files.
- tomp 5y ago
  But not REPLs and Jupyter notebooks.
  - bloggie 5y ago
    nor Windows Explorer.
    - zweifuss 5y ago
      For the File Explorer it's HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced Value PersistBrowsers set to 1.
      - bloggie 5y ago
        Thank you! This reminds me of the old annoyances.org that listed a bunch of little tricks to improve your Windows 95 experience.
      - frosted-flakes 5y ago
        You don't need to manually edit the registry for this. There's a checkbox in Explorer's settings.
  - mavhc 5y ago
    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/recovery/registering-for-application-restart https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/recovery/regi...
jonathanlydall 5y ago
No, not when it’s actually off. If you’ve shut down, then it won’t do this, but if you put it to sleep it can. That being said, I hate this, with my old laptop I could close the lid and pop it in the bag and it would lose maybe 5-10% battery per day, with new laptop it happily unsleeps itself in the bag which has zero ventilation. So for safety reasons I have to shut my laptop down before putting it in my bag, then have to wait for it to start up (which is slow due to corporate software) before being able to use it again.
- massysett 5y ago
  I’ve been using Macs for over five years now and before that I was all Linux. From reading this it looks like Windows has actually reverted to where Linux was over five years ago: having to fiddle with the machine to get sleep to work. That’s just sad.
  - jonwinstanley 5y ago
    Windows wasn't good at this in the past either. Didn't they used to have sleep, hibernate and a load of other options too?
    - tom_ 5y ago
      Just sleep/hibernate/restart/shut down, as far as I can remember? - sleep vs hibernate being a distinction you want, in my view, as the battery drain/restart time behaviours are different. I'm sure I don't need to explain why separate restart and shut down options are a good idea. (Never liked not having the sleep/hibernate choice on macOS. I know better than the computer what my upcoming plans are!)
      - dividedbyzero 5y ago
        You could make Macs hibernate via the CLI until a few versions back at least, maybe you still can? I used that occasionally, but at some point sleep got so good I stopped bothering. If I disable the waking up to fetch mail and the like thingy in Settings, mine will hardly lose any battery even when sleeping for extended periods.

> get critical Windows Updates So you mean Microsoft can force your laptop to restart and lose all your work even when it's "off"? Amazing.

by tomp 5y ago

> get critical Windows Updates So you mean Microsoft can force your laptop to restart and lose all your work even when it's "off"? Amazing.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

Not all windows updates require reboots.

lucumo 5y ago
Most don't even.

mavhc 5y ago

Quite a lot more stuff supports auto resume after reboot, including unsaved Notepad files.

tomp 5y ago
But not REPLs and Jupyter notebooks.
- bloggie 5y ago
  nor Windows Explorer.
  - zweifuss 5y ago
    For the File Explorer it's HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Advanced Value PersistBrowsers set to 1.
    - bloggie 5y ago
      Thank you! This reminds me of the old annoyances.org that listed a bunch of little tricks to improve your Windows 95 experience.
    - frosted-flakes 5y ago
      You don't need to manually edit the registry for this. There's a checkbox in Explorer's settings.
- mavhc 5y ago
  https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/recovery/registering-for-application-restart https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/recovery/regi...

jonathanlydall 5y ago

No, not when it’s actually off. If you’ve shut down, then it won’t do this, but if you put it to sleep it can. That being said, I hate this, with my old laptop I could close the lid and pop it in the bag and it would lose maybe 5-10% battery per day, with new laptop it happily unsleeps itself in the bag which has zero ventilation. So for safety reasons I have to shut my laptop down before putting it in my bag, then have to wait for it to start up (which is slow due to corporate software) before being able to use it again.

massysett 5y ago
I’ve been using Macs for over five years now and before that I was all Linux. From reading this it looks like Windows has actually reverted to where Linux was over five years ago: having to fiddle with the machine to get sleep to work. That’s just sad.
- jonwinstanley 5y ago
  Windows wasn't good at this in the past either. Didn't they used to have sleep, hibernate and a load of other options too?
  - tom_ 5y ago
    Just sleep/hibernate/restart/shut down, as far as I can remember? - sleep vs hibernate being a distinction you want, in my view, as the battery drain/restart time behaviours are different. I'm sure I don't need to explain why separate restart and shut down options are a good idea. (Never liked not having the sleep/hibernate choice on macOS. I know better than the computer what my upcoming plans are!)
    - dividedbyzero 5y ago
      You could make Macs hibernate via the CLI until a few versions back at least, maybe you still can? I used that occasionally, but at some point sleep got so good I stopped bothering. If I disable the waking up to fetch mail and the like thingy in Settings, mine will hardly lose any battery even when sleeping for extended periods.