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> You can’t get rid of this, how do you work with it? This reminds me a lot of an attitude among anti-DRM people that I’ve been trying to get folks to reconsid

> You can’t get rid of this, how do you work with it? This reminds me a lot of an attitude among anti-DRM people that I’ve been trying to get folks to reconsider: the “DRM is bad _and also_ useless so why bother!” stance. The RIAA and MPAA have largely gotten their way with stuff like EME and HDCP. It’s become pretty tough to get 4K pirated versions of any but the most popular movies, and even then it’s pretty tough sometimes. While we were chuckling about that 12 digit DVD region lock code meme they were cooking up invasions of privacy that we just didn’t think they’d have the balls or the competencies to pull off. I’m not too into guns myself, but if you are, take heed from what happened to piracy. These things are not inevitably going to propagate. If you find yourself going “but in order to stop this, they’d have to do X”, stop yourself and consider the possibility that they might try.

rpmisms 5y ago
But piracy is a completely different issue. The source is controlled. With guns, it's literally random furries posting the latest Glock variation they designed. Sure, you can try to stop that, but you'll need to repeal the 1st amendment first. I'm very much into guns, co-host a pro-gun and Pro-AAPI gun ownership podcast, and personally know a lot of the people who are behind this movement. Many of them work for FAANG companies. They are aware of the challenges.
- yunohn 5y ago
  > it's literally random furries posting the latest Glock variation they designed This statement sounds like “I’m a responsible pro gun person, but obviously the ones who aren’t are <insert random unliked group>!!”. That’s not much of an argument?
  - rpmisms 5y ago
    That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm a responsible gun owner, and so are said furries. I'm just pointing out how widespread this is. Also yeah, furries seem to be getting into guns, and also seem to be acting with due safety, so I'm a fan of that happening.
- azinman2 5y ago
  What is their motivation? What good could possibly come from making possibly anyone being able to easily manufacture (untraceable) guns?
  - rpmisms 5y ago
    Maximum freedom. The means of projecting force should never be held entirely by the state.
    - azinman2 5y ago
      I’m hesitant to even get into this into HN, so I’ll try to keep this very narrow. You say maximum freedom, but already the biggest means of “projecting force” (here it seems you literally mean as a projectile) cannot be 3D printed and is only in the hands of the government.. tanks, attack aircraft, missiles, nuclear weapons, etc. So how does a 3D printed gun give maximum freedom, especially when you can buy legal equivalents, and the real “maximums” aren’t possible?
      - rpmisms 5y ago
        It's the current local maximum. The point of civilian gun ownership is to keep the means of offense and defense in the hands of the people. Think socialism, but instead of companies, it's guns.
        dzhiurgis 5y ago
        That just reads as terrorism to me
        rpmisms 5y ago
        Well, yes, governments generally tend to categorize civilians who violently disagree with them as terrorists. John Brown was a terrorist, too.
        azinman2 5y ago

rpmisms 5y ago

But piracy is a completely different issue. The source is controlled. With guns, it's literally random furries posting the latest Glock variation they designed. Sure, you can try to stop that, but you'll need to repeal the 1st amendment first. I'm very much into guns, co-host a pro-gun and Pro-AAPI gun ownership podcast, and personally know a lot of the people who are behind this movement. Many of them work for FAANG companies. They are aware of the challenges.

yunohn 5y ago
> it's literally random furries posting the latest Glock variation they designed This statement sounds like “I’m a responsible pro gun person, but obviously the ones who aren’t are <insert random unliked group>!!”. That’s not much of an argument?
- rpmisms 5y ago
  That's not what I'm saying at all. I'm a responsible gun owner, and so are said furries. I'm just pointing out how widespread this is. Also yeah, furries seem to be getting into guns, and also seem to be acting with due safety, so I'm a fan of that happening.
azinman2 5y ago
What is their motivation? What good could possibly come from making possibly anyone being able to easily manufacture (untraceable) guns?
- rpmisms 5y ago
  Maximum freedom. The means of projecting force should never be held entirely by the state.
  - azinman2 5y ago
    I’m hesitant to even get into this into HN, so I’ll try to keep this very narrow. You say maximum freedom, but already the biggest means of “projecting force” (here it seems you literally mean as a projectile) cannot be 3D printed and is only in the hands of the government.. tanks, attack aircraft, missiles, nuclear weapons, etc. So how does a 3D printed gun give maximum freedom, especially when you can buy legal equivalents, and the real “maximums” aren’t possible?
    - rpmisms 5y ago
      It's the current local maximum. The point of civilian gun ownership is to keep the means of offense and defense in the hands of the people. Think socialism, but instead of companies, it's guns.
      - dzhiurgis 5y ago
        That just reads as terrorism to me
        rpmisms 5y ago
        Well, yes, governments generally tend to categorize civilians who violently disagree with them as terrorists. John Brown was a terrorist, too.
      - azinman2 5y ago