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IMHO this is sensationalist "think of the children" piece. There are a ton of other ways to get a gun illegally, this is just the cheapest and least reliable o

IMHO this is sensationalist "think of the children" piece. There are a ton of other ways to get a gun illegally, this is just the cheapest and least reliable one. Without knowing the denominator, the numbers are useless. Also very much doubt that the traceability of legal guns is that useful.

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rpmisms 5y ago
> Also very much doubt that the traceability of legal guns is that useful. This is generally true. Many guns used in crimes are stolen, "tracing" the gun usually means getting it back to the original owner. Also note that seizures are the metric in the article, not acts of violence. Non-serialized guns are a no-no in CA.
- loeg 5y ago
  > Also note that seizures are the metric in the article, not acts of violence. Well, there’s this: > Detectives have linked the untraceable weapons to 24 killings, eight attempted homicides and dozens of assaults and armed robberies since January, according to the report.
  - rpmisms 5y ago
    And what are they measuring against? What percentage of murders is that? My guess is not many for LA.
    - loeg 5y ago
      LA saw about 343 murders in 2020 of which 73% (about 250) were from guns. The 24 killings mentioned in this article would then represent about 10% of 2020 gun murders. That seems significant to me, especially if it continues increasing.
lmilcin 5y ago
I am from Poland. I am 39. I am male. I have never seen a gun other than on a policeman or a soldier. There are ways to get a gun illegally, even here. But most people do not have easy access to guns. Neither the Police expects you to have one (so they don't pull their gun on slightest pretext) nor people who are stupid can use them by accident. There are shootings. But these are rare and usually involve only police and bad actors. But there are no school shootings, there are no people killed by roadside because they look like they tried to pull their gun, there are no people killed by their children by accident, and so on. The scariest thing I have seen is US Police officer pulling their gun for a regular traffic stop (because the windows were tinted) and then killing the driver (because he looked like he is "reaching" for a gun). It is sick and it is not right and it is all caused by gun proliferation.
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- mike_d 5y ago
  "Poland therefore becomes only the second EU member state included in the report to lose its full democratic status. The other, Hungary, lost its “consolidated democracy” rating five years ago, and has now fallen far enough to no longer be classified as a democracy at all." https://notesfrompoland.com/2020/05/06/poland-no-longer-rated-as-full-democracy-in-new-freedom-house-index/ https://notesfrompoland.com/2020/05/06/poland-no-longer-rate...
  - selfhoster11 5y ago
    I'm no fan of the current government, but Polish attitudes to guns remained unchanged since we joined the EU, at minimum. They certainly predate this government. Bringing up the democratic status in this particular conversation doesn't add to the understanding of the issue.
    - lokedhs 5y ago
      Also, Poland is a just the country mentioned because its their one the OP lives in. The exact same statement could be made using almost any other country in the world.
rhizome 5y ago
Guns are the porn of manufacturing: cutting edge production and delivery concepts are always validated by the respective industries before the techniques get used by the wider markets. I think Gresham's Law might have a hand in how this plays out, too. And yes, cops are being melodramatic here. The police rebellion that started somewhere around George Floyd's murder is continuing well beyond complaining about Chesa Boudin and Larry Krasner and Tish James and heck, Bill De Blasio. It won't stop until every police budget is iron-clad by statute and oversight is one again powerless. Nobody gets an opinion on police patterns and practices other than police, lest they pout.

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rpmisms 5y ago

> Also very much doubt that the traceability of legal guns is that useful. This is generally true. Many guns used in crimes are stolen, "tracing" the gun usually means getting it back to the original owner. Also note that seizures are the metric in the article, not acts of violence. Non-serialized guns are a no-no in CA.

loeg 5y ago
> Also note that seizures are the metric in the article, not acts of violence. Well, there’s this: > Detectives have linked the untraceable weapons to 24 killings, eight attempted homicides and dozens of assaults and armed robberies since January, according to the report.
- rpmisms 5y ago
  And what are they measuring against? What percentage of murders is that? My guess is not many for LA.
  - loeg 5y ago
    LA saw about 343 murders in 2020 of which 73% (about 250) were from guns. The 24 killings mentioned in this article would then represent about 10% of 2020 gun murders. That seems significant to me, especially if it continues increasing.

lmilcin 5y ago

I am from Poland. I am 39. I am male. I have never seen a gun other than on a policeman or a soldier. There are ways to get a gun illegally, even here. But most people do not have easy access to guns. Neither the Police expects you to have one (so they don't pull their gun on slightest pretext) nor people who are stupid can use them by accident. There are shootings. But these are rare and usually involve only police and bad actors. But there are no school shootings, there are no people killed by roadside because they look like they tried to pull their gun, there are no people killed by their children by accident, and so on. The scariest thing I have seen is US Police officer pulling their gun for a regular traffic stop (because the windows were tinted) and then killing the driver (because he looked like he is "reaching" for a gun). It is sick and it is not right and it is all caused by gun proliferation.

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mike_d 5y ago
"Poland therefore becomes only the second EU member state included in the report to lose its full democratic status. The other, Hungary, lost its “consolidated democracy” rating five years ago, and has now fallen far enough to no longer be classified as a democracy at all." https://notesfrompoland.com/2020/05/06/poland-no-longer-rated-as-full-democracy-in-new-freedom-house-index/ https://notesfrompoland.com/2020/05/06/poland-no-longer-rate...
- selfhoster11 5y ago
  I'm no fan of the current government, but Polish attitudes to guns remained unchanged since we joined the EU, at minimum. They certainly predate this government. Bringing up the democratic status in this particular conversation doesn't add to the understanding of the issue.
  - lokedhs 5y ago
    Also, Poland is a just the country mentioned because its their one the OP lives in. The exact same statement could be made using almost any other country in the world.

rhizome 5y ago

Guns are the porn of manufacturing: cutting edge production and delivery concepts are always validated by the respective industries before the techniques get used by the wider markets. I think Gresham's Law might have a hand in how this plays out, too. And yes, cops are being melodramatic here. The police rebellion that started somewhere around George Floyd's murder is continuing well beyond complaining about Chesa Boudin and Larry Krasner and Tish James and heck, Bill De Blasio. It won't stop until every police budget is iron-clad by statute and oversight is one again powerless. Nobody gets an opinion on police patterns and practices other than police, lest they pout.