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How quickly are they going to go commercial with this?

by Goety 5y ago

soylentnewsorg 5y ago
No one is going to buy this. It doesn't jam your voice at all. It introduces enough distortion and noise so that computer speech recognition software gets 4/5 words wrong. Let me make a comparison. Claim: Those capchas with "type in the word you see" have an error rate of 4/5 letters when read by a computer. Yet here we are, humans, reading them just fine. Now, if you're a conspiracy theory fake elected moon landing virus hoax person who is afraid of the government having microphones everywhere, running a keyword search on microphones placed around the park.... Still not a jammer - I'm sure whatever voice recognition software this thing confuses, the government has much better ones. Simply from the fact that most of the people they're interested in have accents so thick it's worse than some added "jammer" noise. But to answer your question, "sounds" like they're trying to go commercial soon, because their announcement of this dirt simple product sounds like a cheap advertisement for some dick enlarging pills. meanwhile, your phone speaker can make sonic sounds since they support a sample rate of over 44khz. So can your computer. here you go. you can google and download some files to play too. https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/audioJammerNoiseGenerator.php https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/audioJammerNoiseGenerator....
- Fnoord 5y ago
  This is great for meetings. Don't have to ask everyone to put their smartphone off. Just be in a private room without cameras (against lipsync and other private details leaking such as notes). Re: Your computer/phone can make noise. They use an Arduino to power this thing, and it manages to block with natural body movement. I'm pretty sure this is going to ruin ANC headsets too though.
- red0point 5y ago
  So what is the effect in the first part of the video on the website then? Are you saying they‘ve faked it?
  - soylentnewsorg 5y ago
    No, I'm saying that does literally nothing but add noise. It does not block or change the original signal in any significant way for human ears - only for consumer-level voice recognition software. Which is extremely crappy even without noise for anything more complex than "hey google play some ads in the middle of this song." Once you take the noise out, the voice recognition software has problems recognizing the words. People do not. You can take the noise out at home with lots of different software or hardware. Skype/teams/zoom do this on a very basic level by default - as do most microphone audio drivers in windows. Once it's taken out, distortion from the noise is just enough to make the voice recognition miss a bunch of words. Human ears do just fine though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3zdGza5zeI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3zdGza5zeI
    - jtbayly 5y ago
      There is a short sample of audio in the YouTube link. Your video is not even remotely similar in sound. If you could take the audio from the original and extract easy (for humans) to understand speaking, your confidence that this won’t work would be obviously justified. But so far you don’t appear to have even understood how the device works.
      - soylentnewsorg 5y ago
        The device literally generates white noise. It's clearly stated in the article. It adds a white noise track on top of the existing sound. It does not change the original vocal track - it just lays noise on top of that. Are you telling me that the white noise in their link is dissimilar to the sound of the train blowing air into the microphone? You have to be kidding me - did you even watch the rtx video? Click some others too. It filters lawnmowers and all kinds of stuff. > Your video is not even remotely similar in sound. uh-uh. sure. sorry buddy, not going to bother having this conversation with a deaf person.
  - Johnythree 5y ago
    It just relies on cheap microphones being fairly non-linear. A quality microphone, with a decent low-pass-filter would be immune to this kind of hack. Think about it, why aren't our ears affected?
- midasuni 5y ago
  I’m not worried about the government spying on my individually, the resources to fight that would be impossible I am worried about large companies spying on me en mass (and selling or leaking that information). That requires automation (voice/face recognition), it’s also reality, not a conspiracy theory, alas I do see it as inevitable and there only so much you can do to fight it.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  > Yet here we are, humans, reading them just fine. I've met a lot of captchas that I couldn't reliably solve. I guess that proves I'm a robot.
  - oakfr 5y ago
    Same here. My guess is that they constantly AB test/explore captchas to push the envelope of genuine humans users in order to make it as hard as possible for the bots.
tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago
I've seen such devices openly sold years ago, and heard of them probably a decade ago (meaning you could buy them well before that if you had the right contacts, but unless either spying or preventing it is your job, you wouldn't have those).

How quickly are they going to go commercial with this?

by Goety 5y ago

How quickly are they going to go commercial with this?

No one is going to buy this. It doesn't jam your voice at all. It introduces enough distortion and noise so that computer speech recognition software gets 4/5 words wrong. Let me make a comparison. Claim: Those capchas with "type in the word you see" have an error rate of 4/5 letters when read by a computer. Yet here we are, humans, reading them just fine. Now, if you're a conspiracy theory fake elected moon landing virus hoax person who is afraid of the government having microphones everywhere, running a keyword search on microphones placed around the park.... Still not a jammer - I'm sure whatever voice recognition software this thing confuses, the government has much better ones. Simply from the fact that most of the people they're interested in have accents so thick it's worse than some added "jammer" noise. But to answer your question, "sounds" like they're trying to go commercial soon, because their announcement of this dirt simple product sounds like a cheap advertisement for some dick enlarging pills. meanwhile, your phone speaker can make sonic sounds since they support a sample rate of over 44khz. So can your computer. here you go. you can google and download some files to play too. https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/audioJammerNoiseGenerator.php https://mynoise.net/NoiseMachines/audioJammerNoiseGenerator....

Fnoord 5y ago
This is great for meetings. Don't have to ask everyone to put their smartphone off. Just be in a private room without cameras (against lipsync and other private details leaking such as notes). Re: Your computer/phone can make noise. They use an Arduino to power this thing, and it manages to block with natural body movement. I'm pretty sure this is going to ruin ANC headsets too though.
red0point 5y ago
So what is the effect in the first part of the video on the website then? Are you saying they‘ve faked it?
- soylentnewsorg 5y ago
  No, I'm saying that does literally nothing but add noise. It does not block or change the original signal in any significant way for human ears - only for consumer-level voice recognition software. Which is extremely crappy even without noise for anything more complex than "hey google play some ads in the middle of this song." Once you take the noise out, the voice recognition software has problems recognizing the words. People do not. You can take the noise out at home with lots of different software or hardware. Skype/teams/zoom do this on a very basic level by default - as do most microphone audio drivers in windows. Once it's taken out, distortion from the noise is just enough to make the voice recognition miss a bunch of words. Human ears do just fine though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3zdGza5zeI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3zdGza5zeI
  - jtbayly 5y ago
    There is a short sample of audio in the YouTube link. Your video is not even remotely similar in sound. If you could take the audio from the original and extract easy (for humans) to understand speaking, your confidence that this won’t work would be obviously justified. But so far you don’t appear to have even understood how the device works.
    - soylentnewsorg 5y ago
      The device literally generates white noise. It's clearly stated in the article. It adds a white noise track on top of the existing sound. It does not change the original vocal track - it just lays noise on top of that. Are you telling me that the white noise in their link is dissimilar to the sound of the train blowing air into the microphone? You have to be kidding me - did you even watch the rtx video? Click some others too. It filters lawnmowers and all kinds of stuff. > Your video is not even remotely similar in sound. uh-uh. sure. sorry buddy, not going to bother having this conversation with a deaf person.
- Johnythree 5y ago
  It just relies on cheap microphones being fairly non-linear. A quality microphone, with a decent low-pass-filter would be immune to this kind of hack. Think about it, why aren't our ears affected?
midasuni 5y ago
I’m not worried about the government spying on my individually, the resources to fight that would be impossible I am worried about large companies spying on me en mass (and selling or leaking that information). That requires automation (voice/face recognition), it’s also reality, not a conspiracy theory, alas I do see it as inevitable and there only so much you can do to fight it.
Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
> Yet here we are, humans, reading them just fine. I've met a lot of captchas that I couldn't reliably solve. I guess that proves I'm a robot.
- oakfr 5y ago
  Same here. My guess is that they constantly AB test/explore captchas to push the envelope of genuine humans users in order to make it as hard as possible for the bots.

tgsovlerkhgsel 5y ago

I've seen such devices openly sold years ago, and heard of them probably a decade ago (meaning you could buy them well before that if you had the right contacts, but unless either spying or preventing it is your job, you wouldn't have those).