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Bad faith argument here. The current vaccines are not like the MMR vaccine, for example. Vaccinated people can still contract and spread coronaviruses. So, a va

Bad faith argument here. The current vaccines are not like the MMR vaccine, for example. Vaccinated people can still contract and spread coronaviruses. So, a vaccine subscription where everyone needs shots every 6-12 months is not the _only_ pragmatic way to deal with it; it's just the option that's being shoved down all Americans' throats right now, ostensibly for the benefit of major pharma companies and other more nefarious reasons. SARS-CoV-2 is clearly not a death sentence, because more than 99% survive if they contract it. And there is a factor of natural immunity, which the US government is oddly trying to smokescreen/astroturf into "get vaccinated anyway". I am not "anti-vaccination". I had my shots. I am simply against government coercion to push not the best, but the most profitable solutions.

rsfern 5y ago
> push not the best, but the most profitable solutions Don’t you think that cocktails of novel antiviral drugs are a higher profit margin solution then the vaccines that are already available? A remdesivir course costs almost two orders of magnitude more than an mRNA vaccine (in the US). Can’t really imagine these novel antiviral drugs will be much more affordable. To be clear, I do think both are important tools that we should use. Is there some other pragmatic solution you have in mind?
tragictrash 5y ago
It is literally the most effective way to reopen our country. Full stop. Nothing comes close. We don't have any other options currently. I wish we did, but with the tools we have, Its a purely pragmatic decision to encourage everyone to get vaccinated. And saying it isn't a death sentence is ignorant, we've lost over 700k Americans alone to it, no idea how many people globally. I dare you to go to someone who's lost a loved one and say that its not a death sentence, because to so many it is. And bad faith argument? There's no astroturfing. Its a good idea and way more than 50% of the US population supports it. You been drinking the kool aide. You have a huge important point about all this that I almost missed reading your response, because its mired in 'I'm not an anti vaxer' mixed with hints of conspiracy theories. Big pharma is getting fat off this. Its a problem. It needs to be fixed for the sake of the american people. We need intelligent people like you to fight for that.
windsignaling 5y ago
> Vaccinated people can still contract and spread coronaviruses. This statement should always come with information about the relative rate at which it occurs. One "can still" get pregnant despite using contraception. This is not an argument against using it, because the relative rate is far lower than if one did not use it at all.

rsfern 5y ago

> push not the best, but the most profitable solutions Don’t you think that cocktails of novel antiviral drugs are a higher profit margin solution then the vaccines that are already available? A remdesivir course costs almost two orders of magnitude more than an mRNA vaccine (in the US). Can’t really imagine these novel antiviral drugs will be much more affordable. To be clear, I do think both are important tools that we should use. Is there some other pragmatic solution you have in mind?

tragictrash 5y ago

It is literally the most effective way to reopen our country. Full stop. Nothing comes close. We don't have any other options currently. I wish we did, but with the tools we have, Its a purely pragmatic decision to encourage everyone to get vaccinated. And saying it isn't a death sentence is ignorant, we've lost over 700k Americans alone to it, no idea how many people globally. I dare you to go to someone who's lost a loved one and say that its not a death sentence, because to so many it is. And bad faith argument? There's no astroturfing. Its a good idea and way more than 50% of the US population supports it. You been drinking the kool aide. You have a huge important point about all this that I almost missed reading your response, because its mired in 'I'm not an anti vaxer' mixed with hints of conspiracy theories. Big pharma is getting fat off this. Its a problem. It needs to be fixed for the sake of the american people. We need intelligent people like you to fight for that.

windsignaling 5y ago

> Vaccinated people can still contract and spread coronaviruses. This statement should always come with information about the relative rate at which it occurs. One "can still" get pregnant despite using contraception. This is not an argument against using it, because the relative rate is far lower than if one did not use it at all.