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Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace A

Apple fires employee -> likely employee’s fault. FB, Goog, Amazon, MS fire an employee -> they are terrible companies. HN’s biases are infuriating. Replace Apple with Facebook or Google and everyone will have their pitchforks out.

analognoise 5y ago
Bruh we bag on Apple constantly about Right to Repair, their app store monopoly, and destroyed them over their phone scanning shit. We regularly BEAT on Apple. Obviously the app we all noticed was...Google Drive in that list! /Edited: I forgot, we also bag on them constantly about WFH, and their piss poor record with bug bounties. There are probably some I'm forgetting.
- iab 5y ago
  I could listen to people complain about Google Drive all day
- techrat 5y ago
  > We regularly BEAT on Apple. From my direct experience, anyone who speaks out against Apple's restrictive, walled garden approach and anti consumer practices gets downvoted hard and mass-flagged 'round these parts.
  - Talanes 5y ago
    I've never seen a struck out anti-Apple comment that didn't spend the majority of the comment preemptively complaining about downvotes and disagreement.
    - deleted 5y ago
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  - chipotle_coyote 5y ago
    My direct experience is that there is a lot of skepticism about Apple on HN, much of it warranted, some of it (in my opinion, obviously) careening into unwarranted cynicism. But my observation is that comments critical of Apple that are most likely to get downvoted are ones with a clear subtext of "anyone who uses Apple products is an idiotic corporate shill who doesn't know anything about technology and it is my solemn duty to preach the anti-Apple gospel." If you come in with a chip on your shoulder, people will be inclined to knock it off.
    - techrat 5y ago
      I think the post you replied to is a fantastic example of what I was referring to, btw.
  - sjtindell 5y ago
    Just another anecdote - I regularly see commenters decrying the walled garden, etc. always with the addendums that they’ve abandoned all Apple products, don’t use Google search, and use Linux on their Thinkpad instead of Windows. I notice so often because I have a lot of doubts about the veracity of those statements.
- swiley 5y ago
  HN as a whole only very recently started to "beat" on Apple. Before 2021 it was a lot of "well maybe there are two sides to Apple curb stomping both devs and users."
arvinsim 5y ago
I had to do a second reading when I realized that "ate" was a typo of "are"
- iab 5y ago
  I’ve been trying to cut down on terrible companies recently, bad for heart-health you know
loeg 5y ago
I think you get exactly the same kind of "employee's fault," corporate defenders in all of these kinds of discussions.
- sjtindell 5y ago
  Which makes a lot of sense considering this forum is full of people who create and run corporations.
- learningram 5y ago
  I think you do not hate corporations just for the sake of it. There is money in the outrage business. Every movement can be sabotaged by people who have their own self interest t the forefront. It is easy to hide bad behavior under emotional issues.
pandanomic 5y ago
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- dang 5y ago
  "Don't be snarky." "When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names." "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
judge2020 5y ago
It's fair to assume that every firing is done for a reason/as a result of a problem, and having evidence of the reason being immoral is important if we're going to be a responsible "court of public opinion".
dang 5y ago
That is a vast overgeneralization. I think you may be falling prey to the notice-dislike bias: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22false%20feelings%20of%20generality%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Everyone with strong feelings on $topic thinks the community is biased against their views.

analognoise 5y ago

Bruh we bag on Apple constantly about Right to Repair, their app store monopoly, and destroyed them over their phone scanning shit. We regularly BEAT on Apple. Obviously the app we all noticed was...Google Drive in that list! /Edited: I forgot, we also bag on them constantly about WFH, and their piss poor record with bug bounties. There are probably some I'm forgetting.

iab 5y ago
I could listen to people complain about Google Drive all day
techrat 5y ago
> We regularly BEAT on Apple. From my direct experience, anyone who speaks out against Apple's restrictive, walled garden approach and anti consumer practices gets downvoted hard and mass-flagged 'round these parts.
- Talanes 5y ago
  I've never seen a struck out anti-Apple comment that didn't spend the majority of the comment preemptively complaining about downvotes and disagreement.
  - deleted 5y ago
    [deleted]
- chipotle_coyote 5y ago
  My direct experience is that there is a lot of skepticism about Apple on HN, much of it warranted, some of it (in my opinion, obviously) careening into unwarranted cynicism. But my observation is that comments critical of Apple that are most likely to get downvoted are ones with a clear subtext of "anyone who uses Apple products is an idiotic corporate shill who doesn't know anything about technology and it is my solemn duty to preach the anti-Apple gospel." If you come in with a chip on your shoulder, people will be inclined to knock it off.
  - techrat 5y ago
    I think the post you replied to is a fantastic example of what I was referring to, btw.
- sjtindell 5y ago
  Just another anecdote - I regularly see commenters decrying the walled garden, etc. always with the addendums that they’ve abandoned all Apple products, don’t use Google search, and use Linux on their Thinkpad instead of Windows. I notice so often because I have a lot of doubts about the veracity of those statements.
swiley 5y ago
HN as a whole only very recently started to "beat" on Apple. Before 2021 it was a lot of "well maybe there are two sides to Apple curb stomping both devs and users."

arvinsim 5y ago

I had to do a second reading when I realized that "ate" was a typo of "are"

iab 5y ago
I’ve been trying to cut down on terrible companies recently, bad for heart-health you know

loeg 5y ago

I think you get exactly the same kind of "employee's fault," corporate defenders in all of these kinds of discussions.

sjtindell 5y ago
Which makes a lot of sense considering this forum is full of people who create and run corporations.
learningram 5y ago
I think you do not hate corporations just for the sake of it. There is money in the outrage business. Every movement can be sabotaged by people who have their own self interest t the forefront. It is easy to hide bad behavior under emotional issues.

pandanomic 5y ago

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dang 5y ago
"Don't be snarky." "When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names." "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

judge2020 5y ago

It's fair to assume that every firing is done for a reason/as a result of a problem, and having evidence of the reason being immoral is important if we're going to be a responsible "court of public opinion".

dang 5y ago

That is a vast overgeneralization. I think you may be falling prey to the notice-dislike bias: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=%22false%20feelings%20of%20generality%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... Everyone with strong feelings on $topic thinks the community is biased against their views.