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That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an

That's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."

analognoise 5y ago
I think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".
- ianai 5y ago
  That’d be my rule 100%. But apple apparently requires personal apple accounts be signed into on company provided devices by employees. It does sort of make sense as they want to be sure of company secrets.
  - sverhagen 5y ago
    Sorry, how does it make sense? Except after a lot of gaslighting? And maybe not by you, but I also feel the arguments of "don't put personal things on your work phone" and "don't delete [personal things] off your work phone" are getting blurred easily in this whole comment section.
  - analognoise 5y ago
    ...that can't be right. I wouldn't let them come over from work and rummage around my house either as a condition of working there, you'd have to be addled to accept anything like that.
    - ianai 5y ago
      Which is definitely more inline with the view of privacy I remember before the current ‘internet generation’.
      - analognoise 5y ago
        What? Nobody from today's generation would let them rummage about their houses either, would they? Although it's true I could see a generation that grew up on the internet understanding it better than the generation who always use it through a phone.
  - benjaminpv 5y ago
    In an earlier thread about this same topic[1] someone that claimed to have gone through Apple's onboarding process explained that they were told (approximately) "Log in with an Apple ID. You can use an existing one, should you have it." So I think it's less a case that they're required to use a personal ID and more that they don't make explicit the fact that they can create & use a distinct one. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037
- mgarfias 5y ago
  Bingo.
- leucineleprec0n 5y ago
  You’re absolutely right, independent of whatever’s going on here. Why is your post downvoted? Holy hell some of you are completely lost. Don’t shill out for a fucking firm, idolatry is no lesser a vice than corporate squabbles and petty theft or whatever.
paganel 5y ago
> don't delete stuff before doing so. I would certainly delete personal information if present on said phone, don't want some other corporate freaks to go through my stuff. Fuck it, I would have done it if instead of Apple it had been the Securitate (I'm from Romania, grew up as a kid in the '80s), and come to think of it this advice of "obey your corporate masterlords" is kind of depressing in itself. We don't have to obey.
- muzz 5y ago
  Is logging out of those apps not sufficient enough?
  - kevingadd 5y ago
    You would need to delete the app for all your personal data to actually get wiped from your device. Otherwise things like photos, bank data, whatever are just sitting there in the cache directories for snoops to pull off the phone
- judge2020 5y ago
  It's a mistake to have personal information on the phone in the first place. Deleting such could be obstruction of the internal investigation at best, and destroying evidence at worse (remember that you don't decide what's admissible as evidence, the courts do).
- ssijak 5y ago
  You should not have personal stuff on a work phone in the first place.
  - saimiam 5y ago
    But say you do, would you delete personal stuff prior to giving your device to your corporate peers?
    - blitzar 5y ago
ALittleLight 5y ago
I would just add "without expecting to get fired" to that rule. I'd delete private or incriminating things regardless of what the company told me.
- blitzar 5y ago
  And you would do so knowing that it would be cause to fire you. Perfectly reasonable, actions have consequences.
acomjean 5y ago
Even if you are Tom Brady. https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2015/7/28/9060211/tom-brady-deflategate-cell-phone-roger-goodell-nfl-new-england-patriots https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2015/7/28/9060211/tom-...
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analognoise 5y ago

I think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".

ianai 5y ago
That’d be my rule 100%. But apple apparently requires personal apple accounts be signed into on company provided devices by employees. It does sort of make sense as they want to be sure of company secrets.
- sverhagen 5y ago
  Sorry, how does it make sense? Except after a lot of gaslighting? And maybe not by you, but I also feel the arguments of "don't put personal things on your work phone" and "don't delete [personal things] off your work phone" are getting blurred easily in this whole comment section.
- analognoise 5y ago
  ...that can't be right. I wouldn't let them come over from work and rummage around my house either as a condition of working there, you'd have to be addled to accept anything like that.
  - ianai 5y ago
    Which is definitely more inline with the view of privacy I remember before the current ‘internet generation’.
    - analognoise 5y ago
      What? Nobody from today's generation would let them rummage about their houses either, would they? Although it's true I could see a generation that grew up on the internet understanding it better than the generation who always use it through a phone.
- benjaminpv 5y ago
  In an earlier thread about this same topic[1] someone that claimed to have gone through Apple's onboarding process explained that they were told (approximately) "Log in with an Apple ID. You can use an existing one, should you have it." So I think it's less a case that they're required to use a personal ID and more that they don't make explicit the fact that they can create & use a distinct one. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037
mgarfias 5y ago
Bingo.
leucineleprec0n 5y ago
You’re absolutely right, independent of whatever’s going on here. Why is your post downvoted? Holy hell some of you are completely lost. Don’t shill out for a fucking firm, idolatry is no lesser a vice than corporate squabbles and petty theft or whatever.

paganel 5y ago

> don't delete stuff before doing so. I would certainly delete personal information if present on said phone, don't want some other corporate freaks to go through my stuff. Fuck it, I would have done it if instead of Apple it had been the Securitate (I'm from Romania, grew up as a kid in the '80s), and come to think of it this advice of "obey your corporate masterlords" is kind of depressing in itself. We don't have to obey.

muzz 5y ago
Is logging out of those apps not sufficient enough?
- kevingadd 5y ago
  You would need to delete the app for all your personal data to actually get wiped from your device. Otherwise things like photos, bank data, whatever are just sitting there in the cache directories for snoops to pull off the phone
judge2020 5y ago
It's a mistake to have personal information on the phone in the first place. Deleting such could be obstruction of the internal investigation at best, and destroying evidence at worse (remember that you don't decide what's admissible as evidence, the courts do).
ssijak 5y ago
You should not have personal stuff on a work phone in the first place.
- saimiam 5y ago
  But say you do, would you delete personal stuff prior to giving your device to your corporate peers?
  - blitzar 5y ago

ALittleLight 5y ago

I would just add "without expecting to get fired" to that rule. I'd delete private or incriminating things regardless of what the company told me.

blitzar 5y ago
And you would do so knowing that it would be cause to fire you. Perfectly reasonable, actions have consequences.

acomjean 5y ago

Even if you are Tom Brady. https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2015/7/28/9060211/tom-brady-deflategate-cell-phone-roger-goodell-nfl-new-england-patriots https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2015/7/28/9060211/tom-...

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