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I’m curious how Pokémon Go and her (presumably personal) Robinhood account were pertinent to whatever investigation they were conducting. Regardless, I find it
by elliekelly 5y ago
I’m curious how Pokémon Go and her (presumably personal) Robinhood account were pertinent to whatever investigation they were conducting. Regardless, I find it hard to believe she “deleted” anything. Removed it from the phone, perhaps, but I’m willing to bet Apple is more than capable of accessing whatever investigative information they need on the phones they provide to their employees.
- paleotrope 5y agoThe apps are immaterial, she deleted things off her phone during an investigation. The reporting here is to make you think Apple is crazy for doing so, "Apple fired her for deleting a kids game app? What a bunch of weirdos."
- d3nj4l 5y agoIt's not immaterial, and apple is crazy for firing her for deleting Pokemon go, if that is the actual reason and she didn't delete any actual data.
- lowkey_ 5y agoThat's just there for the sympathetic headlines — she deleted Google Drive as well, and we can all easily imagine what that suggests. I think a good rule as an employee is "if instructed to hand over your phone as part of an investigation, don't delete stuff before doing so."
- analognoise 5y agoI think a better rule is "Treat an employer owned device as absolute kryptonite and avoid putting anything personal on it ever".
- ianai 5y agoThat’d be my rule 100%. But apple apparently requires personal apple accounts be signed into on company provided devices by employees. It does sort of make sense as they want to be sure of company secrets.
- sverhagen 5y agoSorry, how does it make sense? Except after a lot of gaslighting? And maybe not by you, but I also feel the arguments of "don't put personal things on your work phone" and "don't delete [personal things] off your work phone" are getting blurred easily in this whole comment section.
- analognoise 5y ago...that can't be right. I wouldn't let them come over from work and rummage around my house either as a condition of working there, you'd have to be addled to accept anything like that.
- ianai 5y agoWhich is definitely more inline with the view of privacy I remember before the current ‘internet generation’.
- analognoise 5y agoWhat? Nobody from today's generation would let them rummage about their houses either, would they? Although it's true I could see a generation that grew up on the internet understanding it better than the generation who always use it through a phone.
- benjaminpv 5y agoIn an earlier thread about this same topic[1] someone that claimed to have gone through Apple's onboarding process explained that they were told (approximately) "Log in with an Apple ID. You can use an existing one, should you have it." So I think it's less a case that they're required to use a personal ID and more that they don't make explicit the fact that they can create & use a distinct one. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037
- mgarfias 5y agoBingo.
- leucineleprec0n 5y agoYou’re absolutely right, independent of whatever’s going on here. Why is your post downvoted? Holy hell some of you are completely lost. Don’t shill out for a fucking firm, idolatry is no lesser a vice than corporate squabbles and petty theft or whatever.
- paganel 5y ago> don't delete stuff before doing so. I would certainly delete personal information if present on said phone, don't want some other corporate freaks to go through my stuff. Fuck it, I would have done it if instead of Apple it had been the Securitate (I'm from Romania, grew up as a kid in the '80s), and come to think of it this advice of "obey your corporate masterlords" is kind of depressing in itself. We don't have to obey.
- muzz 5y agoIs logging out of those apps not sufficient enough?
- kevingadd 5y agoYou would need to delete the app for all your personal data to actually get wiped from your device. Otherwise things like photos, bank data, whatever are just sitting there in the cache directories for snoops to pull off the phone
- judge2020 5y agoIt's a mistake to have personal information on the phone in the first place. Deleting such could be obstruction of the internal investigation at best, and destroying evidence at worse (remember that you don't decide what's admissible as evidence, the courts do).
- ssijak 5y agoYou should not have personal stuff on a work phone in the first place.
- ALittleLight 5y agoI would just add "without expecting to get fired" to that rule. I'd delete private or incriminating things regardless of what the company told me.
- blitzar 5y agoAnd you would do so knowing that it would be cause to fire you. Perfectly reasonable, actions have consequences.
- acomjean 5y agoEven if you are Tom Brady. https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2015/7/28/9060211/tom-brady-deflategate-cell-phone-roger-goodell-nfl-new-england-patriots https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2015/7/28/9060211/tom-...
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- da_big_ghey 5y agoAlong with a file sharing app where she could have moved basically any data (google drive) yes? Not a good look for her. This was work device, I am surprised people still have not learned that no personal thing can ever touch work device.
- lowkey_ 5y ago> I’m curious how Pokémon Go and her (presumably personal) Robinhood account were pertinent to whatever investigation they were conducting Her work phone is pertinent to the investigation, and I'm more curious how she thought it was a good idea to have her personal Pokémon Go and Robinhood accounts on her work phone. Edit: Incoming downvotes but this will stand — a work phone is not your phone! You should not be trusting it as such, and should not expect personal privacy on it (and the ability to delete things from an investigation). She worked at a tech company that made phones; there's no plea to ignorance here.
- hanklazard 5y agoI don’t have a reference, but I believe Apple actually promotes using the same phone for work and personal. Seems pretty useful when you want to fire someone on a technicality /s.
- 3grdlurker 5y agoPromotes isn’t requires , though. I’ve read that before as well, but the language around it has always suggested that employees can get away with having a second phone.
- plorg 5y agoDepends what "promotes" means. They don't provide separate Apple accounts for employees, so among other things, if you don't link your personal account to your work phone you're either paying twice for any services or working with a hampered phone.
- 3grdlurker 5y agoWhat do you mean by they don’t provide separate Apple accounts? You sign up for an Apple ID, you don’t wait for it to be provided to you. For example my employer doesn’t provide a work Github account… but while I have the option to use my personal one, I can also sign up for a separate one. Or do you mean to say that they can detect when an employee tries to sign up for a second account under the same personal info, and so then the sign up fails? If it is this, couldn’t they just obscure their personal info and use a second credit card in the second account? Not a US citizen but it seems unbelievable that Apple could legally compel its employees to use their personal accounts at work.
- fenomas 5y agoSome Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices, so there's probably no bright line there. It could have been a personal device that was linked to her work account, or a work device linked to her personal iCloud. https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icloud-id https://www.theverge.com/22648265/apple-employee-privacy-icl...
- techrat 5y ago> Apple employees are reportedly required to link their personal iCloud with their work account/devices That's a big fuckin' nope and likely illegal.
- vlozko 5y agoThis is not explicitly true. They are allowed to create their an account separate from their personal one. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28242037
- ryandrake 5y agoEven the article itself mentions this: > Employees could pause during onboarding and say they want to create a new Apple ID specifically for work or use a different phone. But most do not. This "Apple forces you to link personal with work" meme keeps coming up but it's evidently not entirely true.
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- jhatax 5y agoKeep your work phone separate from your personal phone: This simple dictum has served me well. Enmeshing your work and personal lives on the same device, complete with MDM policies, can wreak havoc, and it’s not just about maintaining boundaries between work and personal time. My decision to carry two devices has proved to be a lifesaver during the pandemic wherein boundaries between life and work have been blurred almost to oblivion. Update: punctuation
- acomjean 5y agoThere were some comments about a similar situation a while back. It seems Apple gives you an iPhone. It seems like a perk but it’s hard to keep your “personal” Apple accounts separate from you “work” ones. There was a Twitter tread about how some woman’s photos are now owned by Apple because her phone was involved in some legal action. It’s hard but keep this stuff separate.
- 0xy 5y agoSorry, but taking nude photos on a company phone is asking for trouble. Who would be stupid enough to do something like that? Moreover, who would be stupid enough to trust their work phone for anything personal? I don't even log into my bank accounts on work equipment. I assume all my work equipment is totally compromised with spyware.
- speedgoose 5y agoIn my country your workplace is not allowed to go through your personal files stored in your work devices. A folder named "personal" is a good enough legal protection to store all the nudes you want as long as it doesn't take all the space on the device. People won trials against companies in the past.