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That's the thing. I am not being selective. IMO it does not matter why someone dies, it is never appropriate to laugh or make fun of it. It does not matter th

That's the thing. I am not being selective. IMO it does not matter why someone dies, it is never appropriate to laugh or make fun of it. It does not matter the cause, someone else is always suffering from the loss. This has nothing to do with whether or not some made a smart choice. I never once said or implied I wasn't offended at the process that lead to it. You just made that up, really I have no idea why. My point has always been and remains: It is not okay to make fun of someone dying. I do not care the reason of the death. If you lose someone close how would you feel if people stared harassing you over the death of your loved one because someone wanted some fake internet points on reddit?

CamperBob2 5y ago
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- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  >"These people make the world a worse place, so it's entirely possible that we're better off without them." I'm not normally a slippery-slope kind of person, but I implore you not to let this line of thinking become acceptable, lest it apply to other groups of people. My fear is that if people can adopt this kind of attitude for Covid-Vaccine refusers, I shudder to think what other groups this can be applied to, too.
  - CamperBob2 5y ago
    Always good advice, for sure. I do think it can be a valid reasoning process in zero-sum cases like this, where a clear dividing line can be drawn between patients who are there because they bought into whatever BS they were spreading on Facebook the day before, and patients who drew the short straw despite following the best available guidance.
    - BitwiseFool 5y ago
      I see where you are coming from, and I also want to make it clear that I don't think you are a bad person and I wasn't trying to insinuate that. I am particularly concerned at what I sense is an unchecked trend of increasing polarization and dehumanization. The refusers who are taking up ICU beds are indeed responsible for their actions but I fear people online are taking things too far when it comes to making examples out of them.
- keneda7 5y ago
  Hey that is a completely valid opinion to have. I have no right to tell you cannot think that. However at the same time I have a right to think its not okay to find it funny. Out of curiosity where is the line for you? Do you find it funny when a smoker dies of cancer or a heavy drinker dies of liver failure? Do you find it funny when someone dies in a car accident (cars are extremely dangerous and they choose to get in it)? What about a soldier (they choose to enlist)? What about stunt people? Should a healthy fit person be able to kick out a life-long smoker or an obese person from a hospital room?
  - CamperBob2 5y ago
    Out of curiosity where is the line for you? Do you find it funny when a smoker dies of cancer or a heavy drinker dies of liver failure? Do you find it funny when someone dies in a car accident (cars are extremely dangerous and they choose to get in it)? What about a soldier (they choose to enlist)? What about stunt people? This is a common-enough schtick among antivaxxers that it has a readily-available (and rather obvious) response: those people aren't contagious.
    - keneda7 5y ago
      So are you saying that your line is when someone else is contagious with covid or something else? Seems extremely selective to me. Second hand smoke has killed 30k+ in the US yearly for decades. Drunk drivers and reckless drivers kill thousands of people yearly. So yes they aren't able to give you covid but the are in fact very capable of killing other innocent people that did nothing wrong. Also once again we are talking about whether or not is okay to laugh at someone dying. It has nothing to do with antivax stuff. This is the second time you have attempted to put words in my mouth. Please stop.
      - CamperBob2 5y ago
        Given a hypothetical group of smokers who not only blow smoke in other peoples' faces on purpose but who loudly advocate that other people do so, claiming that it's all a big conspiracy and that secondhand smoke is actually harmless or even healthy, yes. I'd put them on the same side of the line as antivaxxers. Same with drunk driving. Did the drunk driver own a chain of car repair shops that promoted their $29 oil changes by offering free shots of Jaegermeister in the lube bay? Well, sorry, pal, someone who didn't do that is ahead of you in triage. We could maybe fit you in next Tuesday. Also once again we are talking about whether or not is okay to laugh at someone dying. It has nothing to do with antivax stuff. This is the second time you have attempted to put words in my mouth. Please stop. Yet out of all the worthy causes in the world, you choose to take time out of your day to defend this one. Curious. The antivaxxers have social-media heavyweights like Tucker Carlson and Robert F. Kennedy and Nicki Minaj and Eric Clapton speaking for them. You can take a break.

CamperBob2 5y ago

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BitwiseFool 5y ago
>"These people make the world a worse place, so it's entirely possible that we're better off without them." I'm not normally a slippery-slope kind of person, but I implore you not to let this line of thinking become acceptable, lest it apply to other groups of people. My fear is that if people can adopt this kind of attitude for Covid-Vaccine refusers, I shudder to think what other groups this can be applied to, too.
- CamperBob2 5y ago
  Always good advice, for sure. I do think it can be a valid reasoning process in zero-sum cases like this, where a clear dividing line can be drawn between patients who are there because they bought into whatever BS they were spreading on Facebook the day before, and patients who drew the short straw despite following the best available guidance.
  - BitwiseFool 5y ago
    I see where you are coming from, and I also want to make it clear that I don't think you are a bad person and I wasn't trying to insinuate that. I am particularly concerned at what I sense is an unchecked trend of increasing polarization and dehumanization. The refusers who are taking up ICU beds are indeed responsible for their actions but I fear people online are taking things too far when it comes to making examples out of them.
keneda7 5y ago
Hey that is a completely valid opinion to have. I have no right to tell you cannot think that. However at the same time I have a right to think its not okay to find it funny. Out of curiosity where is the line for you? Do you find it funny when a smoker dies of cancer or a heavy drinker dies of liver failure? Do you find it funny when someone dies in a car accident (cars are extremely dangerous and they choose to get in it)? What about a soldier (they choose to enlist)? What about stunt people? Should a healthy fit person be able to kick out a life-long smoker or an obese person from a hospital room?
- CamperBob2 5y ago
  Out of curiosity where is the line for you? Do you find it funny when a smoker dies of cancer or a heavy drinker dies of liver failure? Do you find it funny when someone dies in a car accident (cars are extremely dangerous and they choose to get in it)? What about a soldier (they choose to enlist)? What about stunt people? This is a common-enough schtick among antivaxxers that it has a readily-available (and rather obvious) response: those people aren't contagious.
  - keneda7 5y ago
    So are you saying that your line is when someone else is contagious with covid or something else? Seems extremely selective to me. Second hand smoke has killed 30k+ in the US yearly for decades. Drunk drivers and reckless drivers kill thousands of people yearly. So yes they aren't able to give you covid but the are in fact very capable of killing other innocent people that did nothing wrong. Also once again we are talking about whether or not is okay to laugh at someone dying. It has nothing to do with antivax stuff. This is the second time you have attempted to put words in my mouth. Please stop.
    - CamperBob2 5y ago
      Given a hypothetical group of smokers who not only blow smoke in other peoples' faces on purpose but who loudly advocate that other people do so, claiming that it's all a big conspiracy and that secondhand smoke is actually harmless or even healthy, yes. I'd put them on the same side of the line as antivaxxers. Same with drunk driving. Did the drunk driver own a chain of car repair shops that promoted their $29 oil changes by offering free shots of Jaegermeister in the lube bay? Well, sorry, pal, someone who didn't do that is ahead of you in triage. We could maybe fit you in next Tuesday. Also once again we are talking about whether or not is okay to laugh at someone dying. It has nothing to do with antivax stuff. This is the second time you have attempted to put words in my mouth. Please stop. Yet out of all the worthy causes in the world, you choose to take time out of your day to defend this one. Curious. The antivaxxers have social-media heavyweights like Tucker Carlson and Robert F. Kennedy and Nicki Minaj and Eric Clapton speaking for them. You can take a break.