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The difference being that pro-gay activists are not doing any of the bad and absurd things that pro-trans activists are doing: attacking freedom of speech, de

The difference being that pro-gay activists are not doing any of the bad and absurd things that pro-trans activists are doing: attacking freedom of speech, denying the biological basis of sex in the ape species Homo sapiens, ending people's careers who disagree with them, attacking feminism, damaging pro-gay movements, canceling people, etc. You don't get to assume that people aren't angry about the behavior of pro-trans activists or are too scared to say so publicly: they have behaved awfully in recent years.

micromacrofoot 5y ago
this is basically the “angry black man” defense - just because some people aren’t protesting in a way you approve of doesn’t mean it’s ok to hate the group indiscriminately
- da39a3ee 5y ago
  I hope this doesn't need saying, but it's the activists I am criticizing -- the majority of whom are not trans. I have no criticisms whatsoever of anyone on the basis of their gender identity or sexuality. But yes, if the activist community fails to disassociate itself from / speak out against radicals who are harming people, then that activist community is going to receive criticism.
  - micromacrofoot 5y ago
    it’s not a singular community, there’s no spokesperson - this is like trying to hold “anonymous” accountable… it’s the same old rhetoric people have been using to discredit all activists
    - Joeboy 5y ago
      That'd also go for TERFs (or GC people or whatever), right? I sort of agree, in that the groups are composed of individuals and it's not entirely fair to hold them responsible for things they didn't personally do. I also think if you see a political community as having some sort of problematic culture it's reasonable to say so.
mkr-hn 5y ago
The same people will claim bi people are damaging the pro-gay movement, so I don't put much stock in their views. Gatekeeping is absurd when the people it keeps out just want to live their lives. Also? There are trans women who say I'm a trans woman who hides behind nonbinary to avoid the difficulty of transitioning. That position is just as harmful and ignorant, and I still fully support binary trans people. That some people are butts is not an excuse to dismiss an entire group of humans.

micromacrofoot 5y ago

this is basically the “angry black man” defense - just because some people aren’t protesting in a way you approve of doesn’t mean it’s ok to hate the group indiscriminately

da39a3ee 5y ago
I hope this doesn't need saying, but it's the activists I am criticizing -- the majority of whom are not trans. I have no criticisms whatsoever of anyone on the basis of their gender identity or sexuality. But yes, if the activist community fails to disassociate itself from / speak out against radicals who are harming people, then that activist community is going to receive criticism.
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  it’s not a singular community, there’s no spokesperson - this is like trying to hold “anonymous” accountable… it’s the same old rhetoric people have been using to discredit all activists
  - Joeboy 5y ago
    That'd also go for TERFs (or GC people or whatever), right? I sort of agree, in that the groups are composed of individuals and it's not entirely fair to hold them responsible for things they didn't personally do. I also think if you see a political community as having some sort of problematic culture it's reasonable to say so.

mkr-hn 5y ago

The same people will claim bi people are damaging the pro-gay movement, so I don't put much stock in their views. Gatekeeping is absurd when the people it keeps out just want to live their lives. Also? There are trans women who say I'm a trans woman who hides behind nonbinary to avoid the difficulty of transitioning. That position is just as harmful and ignorant, and I still fully support binary trans people. That some people are butts is not an excuse to dismiss an entire group of humans.