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Its this sort of sensational/half-true reporting that makes people lose faith in media brands.

unglaublich 5y ago
prisoner's dilemma: gain income while lying or let others drain your income by lying?
itsoktocry 5y ago
>Its this sort of sensational/half-true reporting that makes people lose faith in media brands. If you think not reporting error bars is what makes people "lose faith in media brands", you are so far away from reality I'm not sure what to tell you. But how about you put aside the statistical nuance of this for 10 seconds and acknowledge the fact that real people, when asked, actually consider Facebook -- a piece of software-- harmful. They are saying that. What does that mean?
- sigstoat 5y ago
  > But how about you put aside the statistical nuance of this for 10 seconds and acknowledge the fact that real people, when asked, actually consider Facebook -- a piece of software-- harmful. They are saying that. What does that mean? we can probably find 1,545 people who think everything you love and hold dear is ruining the world. what does that mean?
- passivate 5y ago
  >If you think not reporting error bars is what makes people "lose faith in media brands", you are so far away from reality I'm not sure what to tell you. "If you think.." - Why not ask me what I think instead of assuming and putting up a strawman? >when asked, actually consider Facebook -- a piece of software-- harmful. They are saying that. What does that mean? I don't consider opinion polls as pathways to truths. They're interesting data points, but not some kind of absolute truth. Human opinions change, perspectives change, often multiple times when provided new/different data. Opinions can also be in conflict with each other. We're not automations or pinnacles of logical consistency. You can hand-wave it away as "nuance", but it isn't. Its fundamental. It's messy.
  - tiahura 5y ago
    “Why not ask me what I think instead of assuming and putting up a strawman?” It’s not an assumption. You just said it.
    - thaumasiotes 5y ago
      He very clearly did not say that not putting up error bars was what makes people lose faith in the media. According to passivate's commentary, what makes people lose faith in the media is when they report a study that notes "our findings cannot generalize because we used a nonrandom sample" in the terms "most Canadians believe...". itsoktocry is just putting up a low-effort bad-faith nonrebuttal.
- thaumasiotes 5y ago
  > But how about you put aside the statistical nuance of this for 10 seconds and acknowledge the fact that real people, when asked, actually consider Facebook -- a piece of software-- harmful. They are saying that. What does that mean? It means exactly nothing, obviously. You can substitute literally anything else for Facebook without affecting the truth of that sentence in the slightest.
- blackoil 5y ago
  > the fact that real people, when asked, actually consider Facebook -- a piece of software-- harmful. It is the Internet, you'll find real people who believe democracy is harmful, black people should be slaves and earth is flat. So what does that mean? Nothing!!
- refurb 5y ago
  I could run an internet poll and find people who think democracy is harmful. What does that mean?

prisoner's dilemma: gain income while lying or let others drain your income by lying?

>Its this sort of sensational/half-true reporting that makes people lose faith in media brands. If you think not reporting error bars is what makes people "lose faith in media brands", you are so far away from reality I'm not sure what to tell you. But how about you put aside the statistical nuance of this for 10 seconds and acknowledge the fact that real people, when asked, actually consider Facebook -- a piece of software-- harmful. They are saying that. What does that mean?

sigstoat 5y ago
> But how about you put aside the statistical nuance of this for 10 seconds and acknowledge the fact that real people, when asked, actually consider Facebook -- a piece of software-- harmful. They are saying that. What does that mean? we can probably find 1,545 people who think everything you love and hold dear is ruining the world. what does that mean?
passivate 5y ago
>If you think not reporting error bars is what makes people "lose faith in media brands", you are so far away from reality I'm not sure what to tell you. "If you think.." - Why not ask me what I think instead of assuming and putting up a strawman? >when asked, actually consider Facebook -- a piece of software-- harmful. They are saying that. What does that mean? I don't consider opinion polls as pathways to truths. They're interesting data points, but not some kind of absolute truth. Human opinions change, perspectives change, often multiple times when provided new/different data. Opinions can also be in conflict with each other. We're not automations or pinnacles of logical consistency. You can hand-wave it away as "nuance", but it isn't. Its fundamental. It's messy.
- tiahura 5y ago
  “Why not ask me what I think instead of assuming and putting up a strawman?” It’s not an assumption. You just said it.
  - thaumasiotes 5y ago
    He very clearly did not say that not putting up error bars was what makes people lose faith in the media. According to passivate's commentary, what makes people lose faith in the media is when they report a study that notes "our findings cannot generalize because we used a nonrandom sample" in the terms "most Canadians believe...". itsoktocry is just putting up a low-effort bad-faith nonrebuttal.
thaumasiotes 5y ago
> But how about you put aside the statistical nuance of this for 10 seconds and acknowledge the fact that real people, when asked, actually consider Facebook -- a piece of software-- harmful. They are saying that. What does that mean? It means exactly nothing, obviously. You can substitute literally anything else for Facebook without affecting the truth of that sentence in the slightest.
blackoil 5y ago
> the fact that real people, when asked, actually consider Facebook -- a piece of software-- harmful. It is the Internet, you'll find real people who believe democracy is harmful, black people should be slaves and earth is flat. So what does that mean? Nothing!!
refurb 5y ago
I could run an internet poll and find people who think democracy is harmful. What does that mean?